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For those considering the Solstice as a toy -> Solstice GXP

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  1. Peloton25

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    Solstice GXP

    LOS ANGELES – Pontiac ’s product resurgence zooms forward with the introduction of the 2007 Solstice GXP, the performance version of its in-demand Solstice roadster, at the Greater Los Angeles Auto Show.
    “The Solstice GXP pushes the production Solstice to the next level with a 47-percent boost in horsepower, and demonstrates how GM is working on all fronts to build and sell exciting products for diverse audiences,” said Mark LaNeve, General Motors North America vice president of Vehicle Sales, Service and Marketing.

    Solstice GXP features GM’s all-new Ecotec 2.0-liter turbo, the most powerful production engine in the Ecotec family.* This turbo with direct injection kicks a V-6’s worth of power out of a four-cylinder engine, an estimated 260 horsepower (194 kw) and 260 lb.-ft. (353 Nm) of torque.*

    The performance roadster will feature GM’s StabiliTrak four-channel electronic stability control system. It will debut in the summer and is expected to be priced about $4,000 to $5,000 above the base Solstice.

    Solstice GXP will be on display with the Solstice, which features a powerful Ecotec 2.4L engine rated at 177 horsepower (132 kw) and is matched to a close-ratio five-speed manual transmission. The driver-oriented cockpit interior features motorcycle-inspired instruments.

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    Turbo ECOTEC

    PONTIAC , Mich. – General Motors introduces the Ecotec 2.0-liter Turbo engine in the 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP, making it GM’s first direct injection offering in North America . Gasoline direct injection technology helps the Ecotec engine produce more power while maintaining the lower fuel consumption of a small displacement port-injected engine. It produces 260 horsepower (194 kW) and 260 lb.-ft. of torque (353 Nm),* making it GM’s highest specific output engine ever, at 2.1 horsepower per cubic inch of displacement (130 hp / 97 kW per liter), and the most powerful production engine in the Ecotec family.

    Variable valve timing and an intercooled, twin-scroll turbocharging system are used to optimize the Ecotec 2.0-liter Turbo engine’s performance. It was developed with the global resources of GM Powertrain in the United States and Europe , drawing on expertise from the naturally aspirated Ecotec 2.2-liter direct injection engine used in some European applications and the 2.0-liter turbocharged engines already in production.

    With direct injection, fuel is delivered directly to the combustion chamber to create a more complete burn of the air/fuel mixture. Less fuel is required to produce the equivalent horsepower, especially at normal cruising speeds, of a conventional port-injection combustion system.

    “Direct injection technology works well with turbocharging and helps deliver a great balance of power and economy,” said Ed Groff, assistant chief engineer, Ecotec 2.0-liter Turbo engine. “The Ecotec 2.0-liter Turbo produces the power expected of a V-6, but in a smaller, more efficient package – and the driving response is simply terrific.”

    A dual-scroll turbocharger with a lightweight turbine provides nearly instant power and an air-to-air intercooling system bolsters the turbo’s performance by reducing inlet temperatures. Dual cam phasing complements the turbocharging system by optimizing valve timing at lower rpm for best turbo response and quick engine torque build-up time.

    The Ecotec 2.0-liter Turbo uses a stronger, “Gen II” Ecotec engine block, which was developed with input from racing experience to support increased horsepower and torque. The cylinder block bulkheads – the areas where the main bearing caps are attached – and the bore walls are enlarged for strength. Other areas of the engine were enhanced to reinforce the structure and the water jacket is deeper for added cooling capacity and improved cylinder bore roundness. This architecture is shared with the 2.4-liter Ecotec engine that debuted in the Pontiac Solstice roadster.

    Highlights of the Ecotec 2.0-liter Turbo engine include:
    • Steel crankshaft
    • Forged connecting rods
    • Forged oil-galley pistons
    • Jet-spray piston cooling
    • 9.2:1 compression ratio
    • Aluminum cylinder head with sodium-filled exhaust valves
    • High-pressure engine-driven fuel pump
    • Variable pressure fuel rail
    • Dual-scroll turbocharger

    Components including the steel crankshaft, forged connecting rods and forged pistons are high-strength items that provide strength and enhance durability. Jet-spray oil cooling directed toward an oil-galley piston help reduce piston temperatures. The system delivers pressurized oil to continuously lubricate and cool the pistons, which reduces friction and noise and ensures durability for the engine’s higher power levels. To enhance combustion, the piston tops feature a dish shape that deflects injected fuel toward the spark plugs.

    To accommodate the direct injection system, the Ecotec 2.0-liter Turbo has a unique cylinder head and intake manifold. The cylinder head incorporates mounting locations for the fuel injectors – which are typically mounted in the intake ports or intake manifold on port injection engines. A high-pressure fuel pump delivers fuel to a variable-pressure fuel rail. Fuel enters the combustion chamber through precision multi-hole fuel injectors. The fuel pump, fuel rail pressure, fuel injection timing, and injection duration are controlled by the engine control module. In this way, fuel is metered and delivered in a finely atomized spray.

    Apart from the mounting positions of the fuel injectors, the cylinder head has conventional port and combustion chamber designs, although both are optimized for direct injection and high boost pressures. The sodium-filled exhaust valves and stainless steel exhaust manifold are durable components designed to stand up to the high-performance capability of the engine.

    The unique cylinder head, fuel system, pistons, intake manifold, and the dual-scroll turbocharger are the only major components that differentiate the 2.0-liter Turbo from other members of the Ecotec engine family. Mobil 1 synthetic engine oil is installed at the factory. Synthetic oil was selected for its friction-reducing capabilities and high-temperature performance.

    How direct injection works

    Gasoline direct injection differs from the fuel delivery process of a conventional engine by delivering fuel directly into the combustion chamber, where it is mixed with air drawn in to the chamber. The combustion process of conventional fuel injected engines uses air and fuel that are mixed in the intake port or intake manifold prior to being introduced into the combustion chamber. Direct injection is a continuation of the evolutionary process of moving the fuel introduction point closer to the combustion location to improve control.

    With the Ecotec 2.0-liter Turbo, fuel is introduced directly to the combustion chamber during the intake stroke. As the piston approaches top-dead center, the mixture is ignited by the spark plug, giving the name spark ignition direct injection (SIDI). The fuel injectors are located beneath the intake ports. SIDI allows the mixture to be “leaner” – less fuel, more air – at full power. SIDI also permits a slightly higher compression ratio than if the fuel were delivered with conventional fuel injection. The result is better fuel consumption at part and full throttle. The engine uses conventional spark plugs similar to other Ecotec engines.

    A high-pressure, returnless fuel system is employed. It features a high-strength stainless steel fuel line that feeds a variable-pressure fuel rail. Direct injection requires higher fuel pressure than conventional fuel injected engines and an engine-driven high-pressure fuel pump is used to supply up to 1,276 psi (150 bar) of pressure. The system regulates lower fuel pressure at idle – approximately 752 psi (50 bar) and higher pressure at wide-open throttle. The cam-driven high-pressure pumps works in conjunction with a conventional fuel tank-mounted supply pump.

    Direct injection’s precise fuel delivery enables more complete combustion to help reduce emissions, particularly on cold starts – the time when most engine emissions are typically created. Also, direct injection permits higher a compression ratio in the engine which is a positive influence on fuel economy. At certain power levels, the boosted SIDI engine can provide significant fuel economy benefits to the vehicle compared to a larger displacement naturally aspirated engine.

    Turbocharging system

    A unique, dual-scroll turbocharger is partnered with an air-to-air intercooling system to provide up to approximately 20 psi (1.25 bar) of power-enhancing boost. The dual-scroll turbocharger delivers nearly instant response, as dual exhaust passages from the engine to the turbine housing guide exhaust gas to the turbine. This reduces lag time, or spool-up, at low rpm.

    “There is virtually no lag with this system,” said Groff. “Throttle response is immediate. The engine acts like a larger displacement engine.”

    The turbocharger is matched to the engine’s displacement and performance objectives. It is supported by the air-to-air intercooling system, which uses fresh air drawn through a heat exchanger to reduce the temperature of the warmer compressed air forced through the intake system by the turbocharger. Inlet temperature is reduced by approximately 212 degrees (100 degrees C), enhancing performance because cooler air is denser and promotes optimal combustion.

    Dual cam phasing

    The camshafts of the Ecotec 2.0-liter Turbo engine have phasers that support the continuously variable intake and exhaust valve timing. They also have cam position sensors, so that the engine control module can accurately control valve timing. The crankshaft and camshaft position sensors are digital. A new engine controller, specific to the engine, is used to sense and control the engine’s performance parameters.

    Variable intake and exhaust timing works synergistically with both the gasoline direct injection and turbocharging systems. The variable engine timing enabled by cam phasing allows the combustion process to be optimized. Also, valve “overlap” at low rpm can be adjusted by the controller to increase the response of the turbocharger, providing a more immediate feeling of power.

    Ecotec family traits

    The Ecotec 2.0-liter Turbo is built on a global platform that was designed at the outset for a range of performance and combustion capabilities. The Gen II block supports the high-performance demands of the engine, but it is merely a strengthened version of the original Ecotec architecture. The oil pump, for example, is the same as used in all other Ecotec engines. It was originally designed to support high-performance applications of future engines.

    “The 2.0-liter Turbo is the pinnacle of Ecotec performance to date, with additional growth planned. The groundwork for its capabilities was layed on the drawing table at the very beginning of the Ecotec’s development,” said Groff. “Prior work and a far-thinking engine design continue to help GM respond to market demands around the globe more quickly and with greater accuracy.”

    This new Ecotec family member also has traits that have helped forge a reputation for durability and sophistication:
    • Dual overhead camshafts (DOHC) and four valves per cylinder
    • Twin counter-rotating balance shafts for operational smoothness
    • Electronic throttle control
    • Low-friction, roller-finger follower valvetrain with hydraulic lash adjusters
    • 58X crankshaft positioning
    • Direct-mount accessories, which reduce or eliminate traditional sources of noise and vibration
    • Full-circle transmission mount to reduce noise and vibration
    • GM Oil Life System, which can reduce the frequency for oil changes
    • Innovative cast-in oil filter housing, which eliminates the need to crawl under the vehicle to perform oil changes and eliminates throwaway oil filter cans that retain used oil

    As with other engines in the Ecotec family, the 2.0-liter Turbo engine also has premium features designed to ensure smooth and quiet operation, including a polymer coating and skirt design for the pistons that reduces noise during cold starts. An automatic hydraulic tensioner also is used to maintain optimal tension on the timing chain, which reduces noise and vibration.

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    Personally I'm not in love will the styling on the Solstice, but I would take this combination on the Saturn Sky in a heartbeat. :cool:

    >8^)
    ER
     

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  2. Fancy-Arab

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    this will give the S2000 boys somthing to think about b4 they sleep
     
  3. Peloton25

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    #4 Peloton25, Jan 1, 2006
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    Especially at roughly $5,000 cheaper - hell it will even give the Boxster owners a reason to worry too. This is likely the new bar for bargain performance in a roadster by a wide margin.

    Let's just hope the build quality and reliability are there. If GM wants to pull off a revitalization they need impressive cars like this that don't have nagging issues that spoil the fun.

    Two more pics below - one of the Intercooler layout and the other the Injector layout. :cool:

    >8^)
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  4. Etcetera

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    At 5k cheaper it will be chock full of cheap.
     
  5. Fancy-Arab

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    looking at the C6 vette and the ZO6 GM has done a pretty good job
    so i dont think they will screw this one up , keeping in mind
    this might be the biggest selling car for GM in 2006
     
  6. 62 250 GTO

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    Quality would be my major concern. What happens if you drive it like a roadster? Will it wear out in 2 years?

    Very short gear shifter too, looks kind of odd being that short.

    I don't mind the look of them, although they clearly stole from every other car maker on the planet. It goes together well and it still looks like a Pontiac, so I think the bosses are happy. The interior is alright as well but the quality is the question. Also, it looks kind of "drab" for colour in there. Everything is one shade away from the same colour... not the best for showing off.

    Still, I'd test drive one to see how it handles.
     
  7. JBsZ06

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    Pontiac Solstice GXP should be one kick @ss ride especially for the money.

    I imagine it'll be a very successful two seater.

    Priced under 30 grand loaded as well.
     
  8. Dan Ciezniewzky

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    not a fan of the car, but maaaaaaaaaan would I be PISSED if I had bought one last year!!!!
     
  9. ClassicFerrari

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    Worry Boxster and S2000 owner's? I think not. Being a car salesman that's what I will tell you as the potential buyer. The S2000 and Boxster are little tanks compared to this, with great quality and superb handling. (Even though they would NOT be my first choice)

    It's still a GM and what do you tell them when the car is worth less than half after 2 years?

    I have driven the other two cars ive mentionned but not yet the Solstice. So I will give I that much. I'd have to report back to be 100%

    Just my .02

    V.
     
  10. MrApex

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    Have you driven the Miata? I think this is the car that would be most directly targetted by the Solstice (although maybe not in GXP form).

    Andrew
     
  11. jordan747_400

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    Ive driven the Solstice around an autocross course a few times...Unfortunately I wasnt really impressed. Its a good car, but Ive autocrossed a new MX-5 miata as well and it was FAR superior in every aspect form handling to everyday practicality. Handling numbers are alright but all of the controls felt dead and separated from the driver unlike the Miata which had fantastic response. Visibility is also pretty bad with the top up.
     
  12. 2000YELLOW360

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    Interesting article in AutoWeek: Someone is putting the 6.0 liter V8 into the car, and it comes with a warranty. Carerra owners need to be worried. Car is very, very fast, and under 50k.

    Art
     
  13. dakharris

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    For under $40K, you can have a Mallet Soltice with a Corvette engine. For a little more, they will shoehorn the Z06 engine in. Given the weight advantage, it will beat the Chevy at it's own game for A LOT less money.
     
  14. ClassicFerrari

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    Hi Andrew. Yes I have driven them all up until this most recent one. The only reason why I meantionned the Boxster and S2000 was because it was mentionned early in this thread. That was my point, not a fair comparisson.

    On that note, a Miata although small is probably alot better anyways. Those things have been proven for years. Make for a wild track and everyday driver.
     
  15. Fancy-Arab

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    gr8 look at it from a pros point of view :)
     
  16. Evolved

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    Meanwhile.

    Mitsubishi has been producing bulletproof factory 2.0 turbo engines at 280bhp for YEARS.

    GM, 1998 called, wants their power #'s back.

    If it made an even 300 it'd be worth all the effort and hub bub.

    Why reinvent the wheel if it's not going to yield results?

    Direct injection has been availible in diesels for a long time. Where it acctually helps.
     
  17. scuderia15

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    I actually really dont think they could possibly make it lighter then the vette. I remember reading an article where someone put the 6.0 liter engine in the solstice and it was heavier then the stock corvette. With the z06 being even lighter then the stock vette and the engine being even larger, the z06 engined solstice would not be lighter then the vette z06.
     
  18. dakharris

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    Here's the article:

    "The car’s last name tells the story, obviously, but only part of it. The V8 squeezed under the hood of this other-wise benign-looking Solstice is none other than the mighty LS2 sourced from the Chevrolet Corvette. And with almost 500 pounds less heft curbside than the bow-tied beast, the LS2’s 400 horses and 395 lb-ft of torque make for one monstrously fast little roadster."

    http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051226/FREE/51214007/1008/THISWEEKSISSUE
     
  19. Vang

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    The weight will be closer than you think.
     
  20. rush109

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    actually not that bad looking....
     
  21. ClassicFerrari

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    Yeah right LOL. Far from. Just my 2 cents from my personal experience as I have mentionned.
     
  22. Fancy-Arab

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    LOL . ur info were more than enough trust me , my friend has a S2K and it handels like a dream , the boxter is not bad , so i have a lil idea about both cars so i just have to try this car and see , but the thing about this car is its cheap and 4ced indution , so its a really good supermarket shoping car , and i can see how many tennagers will be driving it , :)
     

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