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Will there be 430s after 9/1/06?

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  1. 2000YELLOW360

    2000YELLOW360 F1 World Champ

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    Apparently Ferrari got an exemption over the air bag issue through 9/1/06, but now that the exemption has become public knowledge, what do you think the chances are that it'll be renewed? Someone is going to object to it, and I think that the exemption will be held up. The solution, to change the side airbags, is apparently not feasible, at least with the current design.

    If the 430s can't be sold after a 9/1/06 build date, wonder what that will do to their resale price? I suspect, it will make them even more costly?

    Art
     
  2. masterlu

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    Prices in So Florida are already going up. Just glad I already have mine.
     
  3. Doody

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    i wonder if ferrari could still move all units worldwide if they simply stopped shipping to the US market. it would make for a ballsy play in the international court of opinion. it's not like it's half their market.

    i remember back in the day when everybody claimed there was NO effing way in to achieve fiber data rates over copper pairs. the smart people pointed out that there was so much potential money in it that barring changes in the laws of physics (the only absolute), someone would figure it out. and of course they did.

    even if the US is only 30% of production, that's still about 1,000 cars per year. if they are pushed into a corner, they WILL figure it out.

    doody.
     
  4. donv

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    They've stopped selling to the US market before...

     
  5. DJ4200GT

    DJ4200GT Formula Junior

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    There are plenty of other markets for Ferrari to sell more cars to, Middle East and China for example. They will keep Ferrari afloat till the next model comes out.
     
  6. bobleb

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    Hell, Ferrari could probably stop making cars altogether and stay afloat (for a couple of years, anyway) on just their brand licensing revenue! :)
     
  7. robert biscan

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    Are side air bags required?
     
  8. DJ4200GT

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    yeah good point, and that way they dont have to worry about all the headaches with the DOT!!
     
  9. scud

    scud F1 World Champ

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    if that happens you'll make some real money with others chasing your car
     
  10. Looney

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    i find it funny that Americans seem to think that your indespencable.

    Ferrari cant meet all its orders as it is with their imposed annual limits, i doubt they would stop selling in the US, however I doubt they'd have any trouble selling all of their cars if they didnt sell the 430 in the US.

    lets be serious, allot of ppl only buy a Ferrari for the prestige/wank factor, so if they still sold the 599 and 612, those who couldnt get a 430 to pose would buy the 599.
     
  11. GrigioGuy

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    I have no idea what indespencable means. Can you clarify your post?

    No manufacturer will willingly give up it's hottest product in a market that generates ~30% of sales. I like the previously posted idea of simply calling all U.S 430s August 2006 builds and letting the Feds prove that they're not. :)
     
  12. Malfoy

    Malfoy Formula 3

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    I find it funny that non-Americans think we're not. You don't have to like us, but you aren't replacing us anytime soon.
     
  13. WILLIAM H

    WILLIAM H Three Time F1 World Champ

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    30% is a HUGE chunk of change for any company. I highly doubt Ferrari will stop selling their bread & butter car in the US, especially w Miami Vice coming out this year which will only increase demand
     
  14. Trax

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    It's got nothing to do with that

    It's just that the 430 has long wait lists everywhere in the world, Ferrari would have no problem shipping the additional 430s if it came to that.

    However I find this highly unlikely.
    It's amazing how the threat of a ban is able to generate an immediate solution to the problem
     
  15. 05F430F1

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    Can someone clarify what this post is about. I am confused. Does my current car have side airbags? Are they required? Are you all saying that after this date, they will be required but with the design, they can't be added? Is that the point? Thanks.

    I am sure they can add airbags with some interior change. But, it would be great if they stop making them. :D
     
  16. nberry

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    The 430 does not have a side airbag and that is no the issue. DOT uses dummies to test airbag impact on the occupants. Apparenty, the dummy used for small females and children did not do well in the test of the 430. This prompted DOT to tell Ferrari to change it airbag. Ferrari claims it is technically unfeasable and cost prohibitive.

    Keep in mind that Italy is a political ally of the Bush adm. concerning the war in Iraq. Thus, a compromise will be worked out. They will be selling 430's in the US after Sept. 2006. Take that to the bank. Much to do about nothing.:D
     
  17. 2000YELLOW360

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    With making the exemption and ruling public, it opens the next attempt at renewal to public objection. I suspect, but don't know that this is going to delay, or perhaps stop the sale of cars built after 9/1.... Politics aside, I don't think that Bush, et al will move or an exemption for a car costs over 175k, especially when there are mid term elections coming up. Don't screw with safety, especially around election time.

    Art
     
  18. bostonmini

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    :) exactly.

    does this poster assume that the superAMERICA was so named bc they were saving "superaustralia"???
     
  19. Hunters360

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    What if i promise to have only fat tall girls in my 430 will that be ok? As for the kids thats why I bought a Maser Coupe.
     
  20. amslb182

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    Tell that to the fat girl working at the DMV if she gives you any **** when you register your car. See what she says. LOL
     
  21. Dino Martini

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    If the F430 was not allowed into the States would Ferrari develop a US only model? or would we be out of luck until the problem is sorted out, or the new model comes in?
     
  22. jimmyb

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    So Kia can get an airbag that meets U.S. requirements and put it in a $10K car but Ferrari needs an exemption in a $180K car, which they will get because of Italy's support of the Iraq incursion. Did I leave anything out?

    Check please!

    Jimmy
     
  23. giago

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    What's your point with this.
    I really don't think Ferrari wouldn't do something like lying on safety, if they say it can't be done well it is like that.

    Plus I think this laws are stupid, you should still be able to get it over your responsability.
     
  24. jimmyb

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    What's my point? The airbag requirement is not new. Every other car builder figured out how to meet the requirement, except Ferrari. Why not? That's my point!!! Whether the law is stupid or not is not the point. It's the same law for every car maker and everyone else figured it out.

    Jimmy
     
  25. Fly'n DutchMan

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    Imagine if the entire US production was shifted throughout the rest of the world, I think those markets might become flooded, and prices would fall. I'm not sure can increase allocation 30% to those markets and not have an impact. If the reverse was happening and 30% of world production was shifted INTO the US market, thing would change dramaticly here.

    The issue isn't just that Ferrari would loose the US market sales, the issue would be that may flood their other markets, which may effect branding and the percieved scarcity of the cars.

    In end this whole airbag thing may be nothing, but just the perception of a problem or a rumor seems to boost prices anyway. Group think.
     

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