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Is it possible to add A/C to 330 GT 2+2?

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  1. peterp

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    I found a 330 GT 2+2 that I would like to purchase except for the fact that it doesn't have air conditioning. As much as I want to buy this particular car, I don't think I can enjoy it without A/C. It Is it possible to retrofit A/C to these cars such that it looks/works like the factory unit?

    Thanks,
    Peter
     
  2. Julio Batista

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    Same question for a 330GTC, although I guess the answer will be the same.

    Thanks,
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  3. dm_n_stuff

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    Nope, can't do it, won't fit, never work...........


    Now can you give me the details of where the car is? Since you won't be needing it now.......:D

    Drop Tom Shaughnessy a PM, he'll know. Or spend a little time on Tom Yang's site, they are 330 central.

    http://www.tomyang.net/cars/ferrari.html



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  4. Ed Niles

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    Short answer: yes. Years ago I added A/C to a series 1 1/2 330 GT @+2 that I used as a driver for a while. (7519, if memory serves). The outlet hung down under the dash, so wasn't too pretty, but it worked OK. Had I spent more money, I'm sure I could have had the outlets come out of the dash somehow.
     
  5. Bertocchi

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    Get yourself a Hot Rod magazines with lots of ads in it. The Hot Rod community builds some really trick kits that are very small. You biggest obstacle is going to be driving the compressor and finding space in the engine compartment for the compressor. If you are clever it should be easy.
     
  6. Tony Fuisz

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    Maybe a vintage air set-up (www.vintageair.com) would be the way to go depending on your need for originality. I would get the biggest capacity that fits, as the car has a fair amount of heat soak from the engine etc. when its all good and warm. Don't forget to add fans for the radiator too if you plan on sitting in hot weather.
     
  7. dgrperformance

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    if you want factory it can be very hard to find the evaporator and blower unit that goes inside the car most of the other items are easy to find and new hoses are easy. Try the usual sources for the evap but as far as I know there are few if any out there right now.

    if on the other hand all you want is a system that works and to stay within a reasonable budget try these guys www.iceac.com. I have used them in the past for kits on 2002 BMWs and some other custom kits for British cars. The stuff is not factory but the kit is pretty good and the support is pretty good as well.

    Zac
     
  8. DBR328&330

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    I like A/C as much as anyone, and I live where it is slighly hotter. My 330 GT 2+2 has no A/C and I dont really miss it. Windows down in all seasons except summer is sufficient. you dont get blown around with the windows down probably because of the vent windws. In the summer it gets hot after about 20 minutes. Since this is a toy for me, A/C is unimportant. Unless you plan on using it as a daily driver, dont let its lack of A/C cause you to walk away as good 330s are hard to come by.

    Dan
     
  9. peterp

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    Thanks for the great feedback. I'm not sure I would be comfortable with non-standard air options, but I think Dan is correct that lack of A/C won't be as big of an issue as I thought since it will be a part-time car. I need to think it over a bit more, but I'm leaning towards buying it and living without air. If after living with it for a while I find the air is necessary, then I'll make the leap to adding aftermarket. Thanks for the great feedback. I will also check out Tom Yang's site.
     
  10. jsa330

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    Peter, sounds like you're convinced, but an additional opinion here: buy the car and live with it as-is. I'm in the part of hell called Texas... there are only four months out of the year during which I can drive my 330 in complete comfort, another four borderline, and another four where only very early morning drives are practical.

    I've replaced several rebuildable components with generics and have the originals carefully stored away...but these are parts that are easily removed/replaced. Addon A/C sounds like a major chop job and a lot of $$, not to mention the thermal and mechanical stresses that a belt-and-clutch driven compressor system will put on that precious V12.
     
  11. peterp

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    I'm not fully convinced of anything at this point. The difficulty is that there are two opposing factors at work. On one hand, I'm an originality freak, so the last thing I want to do is add A/C to a car like this. On the other hand, the joy in owning these cars is in driving them, and I don't want the lack of A/C to end up limiting in my ability to drive it.

    Normally, I'd simply wait to find a car with A/C, but I really like this particular car and nice 330's are hard to find (and few of them have A/C), so I'm inclined to buy it. The feedback here is helping me get off the fence a bit -- I think the right thing to do is to buy it and live without A/C, but I'm still pondering the decision. The weather in Texas is worse than NJ, but it gets very hot and humid in NJ during the summer, so it's a valid concern.

    The car I'm looking at is priced at the high end of the market, but I think it's worth it with exception of the A/C. Does anybody know how many of the 330's came with A/C?
     
  12. jsa330

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    The best person to ask...Kerry Chesbro. Email him.

    http://www.parrotbyte.com/330GTRegistry/
     
  13. ArtS

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    Peter,

    Conact RPM in Vermont StephanM on Tom Yang's site has added AC to similar cars.

    Also, I'm an hour south of you, my car does not have AC, and this generally not a problem. PM me if you would like any detailed input/opinions on ownership.

    Regards,

    Art S.


    PS. Remember the less '60s Italian electrical components, the better; so if you do an install, use modern bits.
     
  14. 330gt

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    Actually not. GTCs were all built for factory air, so the dash area, etc. are designed to accommodate it.

    Series II 330 2+2s had a redesigned dash (and engine front) to have A/C and P/S as factory options. The earlier 330s (2 air outlets in the dash) weren't designed for A/C so they require more work to add it. However, a number have had A/C added, so it it possible.

    Regards, Kerry
     
  15. peterp

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    Thanks for the info. I spoke to Peter at RPM -- he says they can do it and make it look original -- they are currently doing this on a GTC. He estimated a cost of about $5k.
     
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    Although I didn't buy the 330 that I was looking at when I started this thread, I ended up purchasing a red 330 from RPM in Vermont. I'm having a considerable amount of work done prior to taking delivery of the car including having A/C installed and having the engine rebuilt. For A/C, RPM will fabricate original style brackets, but I elected to use modern A/C components for reliability and because it will be easier to remove if there is a need to in the future. They will be installing upgraded alternator and fans to support the A/C, but that work can also easily be reversed.

    The engine didn't need to be rebuilt -- no smoke and good compression (they thought I was a bit nuts for asking) -- but it's 40 years old and has never been opened up so I decided to just have the work done up-front rather than drive it and wait for things to break. Steve Markowski at RPM has been great to work with and the shop speaks for itself in the types of cars they routinely maintain. Although the car was in great shape, Steve went to great lengths to point out minor issues that I failed to notice on inspection and is correcting those minor items as part of the preparation process. It's difficult to feel "safe" about purchasing a 40 year old car, but the basic condition of the car and the interaction with RPM and their expertise makes me feel very confident about the purchase.

    If there is interest, I will post photos of the A/C install and engine rebuild as the work progresses.
     
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  17. yale

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    Yes, please post photos. The air con thread has come up often for the 330's, it would be great to see a system installed in this day and age. Autosport puts aircon units in Astons that don't look quite right to me and cost, (like everything Aston), a huge amount. Will your system use the dash vents? Will you remove the blowers motors that normally blow through there? Will you use one of the hot rod -Vintage Air- type systems?

    What is the s/n of the car you bought and can you tell us something about the history as you know it? A nice long post would be great. Thanx. Yale
     
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    I don't know where you are in Jersey, but these guys make the best retro A/C kit for Porsches. I have talked to the owner, and he'd love to do a Ferrari. Not cheap, but good work.

    http://www.griffiths.com/index.htm

    Dale
     
  20. peterp

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    #20 peterp, Mar 14, 2006
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    The approach we are taking is to leave the stock vents and heating in place and to add A/C as a standalone using components from VintageAir. It won't look original, but it should look appropriate. The upside of this approach is that the A/C is all new and can easily be removed. I'm quite comfortable with RPM doing the work because they have experience in this area and are currently in the process of fabricating an original-style install for a GTC. Here is a photo of the car -- S/N is 8169.
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  21. yale

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    But you have a two headlight car, this had air con as an option. So why not use the stock vents et el, with a vintage air condensor and all? Worried that it wouldn't put out enough cold air? Some here have a Series two with air and I have heard they are quite pleased with it. Yale
     
  22. peterp

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    #22 peterp, Mar 15, 2006
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    Yale -- My primary goal is to be able to enjoy the car with my family, so I've put a strong emphasis on making it reliable and comfortable. This is the reason for doing the proactive engine rebuild and for leaning towards a modern A/C.

    Although mine is a series 2, I think the factory continued fitting series 1 type 2-hole dash to series 2 cars that didn't have A/C (I read that somewhere). I think that's what I have, so I'm not sure how easy it would be to fit a vintage evaporator. I would like to hear about it if it's possible though. Here is a photo of the dash area:
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  23. yale

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    You are right, your switches are on the wrong side as they were to the left of the wheel for the air con cars. Best, Yale
     
  24. 330gt

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    I think that Pininfarina had a stock of the old dashes that they continued to use up even with the single headlight model. If a car was ordered w/AC, then a new dash was used, so there is an intermix of old and new dashes for cars in the early 8000s. The actual switch over was somewhere between 8245 and 8283 (later for RHD cars).

    Regards, Kerry
     
  25. peterp

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    Thanks Kerry. I had read about the "old dash" somewhere, I can't remember where -- but I'm pretty sure you were the source.

    I received an update tonight on the A/C design and I have to say that I'm pretty blown away by what's being done. It sounds like it will be quite seemless despite having the old style dash. I should be able to post some details on the approach tomorrow.

    Regards,
    Peter
     

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