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silver 355 spider in Windermere, FL

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  1. nsxnick

    nsxnick Formula 3

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    http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item=4625138175&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT

    I am the winning bidder of this auction. The owner is a little ticked that I want a PPI. He says I can bring a mechanic with me but he will not take it to a shop.
    He states: " it leaves me in a situation where you can just decide on a whim not to buy the car because of any negative flaws that could be found on any car that is 11 years old with 38k miles on it, and i may also add that your
    winning bid makes it probably the cheapest 355 spider in the U.S"

    His last line is probably true.. which is what concerns me the most.
    I am keeping my fingers crossed that this guy is on the up and up and we can work something out.

    Does anyone know this car or the owner? Thanks
     
  2. GordonF355

    GordonF355 Formula 3

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    sounds suspicious. Definitely insist on getting a ppi by a qualified tech. Anyone who sells generally has no problem in the buyer getting a ppi at a qualified ferrari tech on buyers expense. Who cares if you got the cheapest 355 in the country (which I do not believe anyway) if you find out you have to replace headers, have to do an engine out service, etc... which will cost a lot! Car looks pretty good, but I am surprised that the engine compartment looks so dirty...

    gordon
     
  3. JeffB

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    Don't buy it without getting a PPI done. Imagine how much you'd regret it if you bought it and encountered all kinds of problems that would have been detected with a PPI prior to purchase. If the buyer isn't willing to bend on this, my suggestion would be to find a different seller & car.

    Edit: Just noticed you're from Livonia. Whereabouts? I live near 6 & Haggerty. I went to high school at Stevenson.
     
  4. ItaliaF1

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    Congrats! Very nice
     
  5. CRAIGF355

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    sweet ride but anything ferrari should be inspected by ferrari dealership before purchase takes place. plus its a f355 know to have big engine problems good luck.
     
  6. nsxnick

    nsxnick Formula 3

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    I'm at 8 and Newburgh across from Wisphering Willows. I've seen a yellow Gallardo around town, I think it's the one in your profile. You may have seen my red NSX.
     
  7. RossoCorsaItaly

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    No offense to you but this type of thing should be arranged before the final purchase of the car on ebay. I would pretty ticked personally if I was the guy. I just listed a couple of things on ebay and the winning bidder contacted me 3 hours before the end of it saying he wrecked his car and could not buy the part, I cancelled his bid, second guy said he thought it was a different part, 3rd guy said he doesn't have any money. It's like nobody even takes ebay seriously.

    On a side note if the deal goes go through, congratulations on the car.
     
  8. nsxnick

    nsxnick Formula 3

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    Sorry about what happened to your auction. You had every right to be upset. However, I am not sure how it relates to my situation. I am not trying to back out of my deal. How am I not taking Ebay seriously? I'd say a $61k commitment is pretty serious.
     
  9. Jerrari

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    I think all that he is saying is that you should have told the seller that if you are the winning bidder, would he have a problem with you getting a PPI done before money changes hands. That way he could have had time to digest the idea, or perhaps said "no, I need the car gone and the money right after the auction closes". Who knows what the seller is thinking, it's just nice to give him a heads up before the auction closed. Having said that, good luck w/ everything and I fully expect you to bring that bad boy to my "Wings & Wheels" show in July!!
     
  10. RossoCorsaItaly

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    I'll elaborate more since I've sold quite a few cars on ebay from Ferrari's to Honda's. Almost all the cars I sell on ebay are not from people winning the auction, someone contacts me privately and asks me about the car.

    Here's what you should have done before placing your bid.:

    1-Contacted the seller and asked him if you could perform a PPI.

    2-If he said yes then proceeded with the PPI and made him an offer depending on the results.

    3- If he said no, then offer a refundable deposit to be placed on the car to show that you are serious about purchasing it. If he still says no, then look for another car.

    You should not bid on the car, win the auction, and then talk about a PPI. You've already put in a price based on the information you were provided.

    Ebay is an auction right? Well can you go to Barret Jackson, bid on the car and after winning the auction tell them you want to do a PPI? Then if the PPi goes sour can you change your mind? No, I understand exactly where you're coming from but in my humble opinion thou shalt not bid until all variables have been figured out.

    Also no offense intended, I just wanted to voice my opinion. I'm really happy to have you on f-chat either way and if this deal doesn't work out, I hope the next one does.

    Take Care,
    Kevin
     
  11. nsxnick

    nsxnick Formula 3

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    In hind sight I completely agree. I probably am in the wrong here. Hopefully the guy will be understanding and work with me.
     
  12. JeffB

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    That's my brother's Gallardo. He lives a few miles west of you, near 8 Mile & Beck. He actually just sold it a few weeks ago and will be getting an orange Gallardo Spider within a couple of months.

    I don't recall seeing an NSX in this area lately, but it's possible I've seen you on the road before. I used to have a yellow 355 Spider. As you can imagine, it's an awesome car. Best of luck with this auction or with the purchase of a different Ferrari if this one doesn't workout.
     
  13. cinquevalvole

    cinquevalvole Formula 3

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    yes, and PPI says PRE purchasing/bidding as we know. :D
    For this price you won't see a 355 Spyder offered in Europe.
    (based on these auction pictures)

    cinque
     
  14. arezzo

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    Congrats on the car if everything goes according to plan. You got a super deal.

    S
     
  15. GTB4NART

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    Here's what happened to me: I won an auction for a 280 SE 3.5 convertible Mercedes on Ebay. The gentleman wanted me to wire him deposit money immediately after the auction. I told him I would be there in 48 hours to inspect and purchase the vehicle just to make sure it matched the description in the auction. He agreed. The Mercedes did not match the description in the auction (the claimed "no rust example" it turned out to be a complete lie) and thus, I did not purchase. He was "caught" and felt bad that he lied about an $80,000 car. I was out about $500 in travel expenses.

    I don't think it's acceptable to request a professional PPI after you've won an auction. Ebay is an "as-is" sale except when the description is fraudulent.

    What is acceptable is the right to inspect to confirm the description of the item and that the sellers answers to your questions were valid.

     
  16. tstafford

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    It's a great price and chance are car will be good too. Best luck with the seller and final steps. Update the post once you know how things turn out. I'm sure you will end up with a great car.
     
  17. nsxnick

    nsxnick Formula 3

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    I know I goofed, and I should have a emailed the seller before bidding to see if he will be willing to make the sale dependent on a PPI.

    However, I don't follow your logic. In your scenario, I don't see the difference between a PPI revealing rust or you revealing it through a visual inspection. How is one acceptable and the other not?
     
  18. nsxnick

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    The difference is that he didn't represent the car as being rust free. His only description is that the car runs an drives great. If a PPI shows the car needs headers will it really matter? He never said it didn't. If you backed out because it did, you would be a deadbeat bidder. Like everyone else, I mean no offense here. Just want to voice my opinion. If something like this happens to me, I just pay for my mistake. I don't expect someone else to.

    On the flip side, If you did back out, I'm sure the seller could just contact the next bidder. Actually, if the car's not a basket case, I might know someone that would want it.
     
  20. nsxnick

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  22. GTB4NART

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    The owner states in the ad "very good overall condition" which would mean to a reasonable and prudent person that it's not in need of expensive repairs. Your "homework" leads me to believe that the current owner knows of expensive repairs that need to be performed (a '95 in need of a cracked header fix perhaps?). Since he did not disclose these needs, it could be construed that he is not participating in "good faith and fair dealing" which is an essential element in every contract - even Ebay.

    The benefit of the doubt is still with the seller right now because there's no conclusive proof that anything is currently wrong with the car.

    Ebay sellers should always say, "runs and drives well, everything works, sold as is-where is - this is a used car and no warranties are expressed or implied"

     
  23. nsxnick

    nsxnick Formula 3

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    The seller is threatening legal action for slander. I have asked the mod to delete this thread.

    Thanks everyone for your input.
     
  24. GTB4NART

    GTB4NART Formula Junior

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    Slander is spoken defamation, Libel is written - like all posts in this thread, just to be accurate.

     
  25. kevfla

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    and see if they are familiar with the car and/or owner. They may not be able to tell you much (customer/client fiduciary), but it's worth a shot. Might make getting that PPI "agreed-to" a little easier. I don't personally know of the car. Ferrari of Central Florida is at 407-667-4300. Good luck!

    KevFLa
     

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