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Help !!! 360 Alarm PIN code problem !!!

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  1. Richard-ModenaF1

    Jan 4, 2009
    5
    Chicago
    Full Name:
    Richard C.
    Hi Everyone,

    I would be very grateful if someone could help me with my alarm problem. This past December I purchased a nice 2001 360 Coupe with an F1 trans. from the original owner. It is a very nice car with 5200 miles, full service history from Continental Ferrari (Chicago), all books, tool kit, and original cover. The car had two keys and one red remote. From reading everything I could find on FerrariChat about the 360 (prior to buying) I knew that it was missing the ALARM PIN and TWO BLACK REMOTES. I went to Continental to order the black remotes and Alarm PIN Code. The parts guy said that FNA does not keep a record of Alarm PIN Codes and the only way to get three working fobs is to order a new alarm ECU. Total cost for parts and labor was just under $5,000.00. I knew better from FerrariChat - so I drove over to Lake Forest Sports Cars (LFSC). The parts guy said it would be no problem to order the Alarm PIN Code and remotes. The Alarm PIN Code service fee was $ 585.22 and the new remotes were also $ 585.22. I was told that FNA did not sell individual black remotes. The remotes came as a set of three (1 red and 2 black with a new PIN Code card) The part number for the remote set is 171852. So far so good.

    Fast forward three weeks to today. I have original PIN number and the new remotes. As hard as I try I am not able to start the car using the PIN Code. I thought that I should try entering the PIN and try starting the car without using the fob just to see if I understand the process before trying to program the alarm ECU to accept the new fobs.

    The internal battery in the alarm ECU is working fine. The alarm beeps like it should when arming and disarming. The dash LED blinks when the immobilizer is on and is off when the immobilizer is off. The original owner (and service records) indicate the alarm ECU has never been changed. What am I doing wrong? The only two things that I can think of is that the PIN Code I was given is not correct --or-- I am just not entering the sequence the right way. Please help me understand this. If my PIN code is 9087 - I enter the "9" by turning the ignition key from "off to on to off" nine times in under two seconds. Then wait a few seconds then enter the "0" by turning the ignition key from "off to on to off" ten times in under two seconds (then do the last two numbers the same way and then the LED should turn off). I do not think I understand this because I do not think it is physically possibly to turn the ignition key "off to on to off" nine (or ten) times in under two seconds to enter the individual PIN Code numbers. If the PIN code was 1212 or something like that you could do it. I just cannot turn the key that fast. What am I doing wrong ? Thanks for reading - Richard
     
  2. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    It needs to be under 2 seconds for each on/off cycle.
     
  3. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    #3 tazandjan, Apr 11, 2009
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    Richard- It is easy to do the cycles in less than two seconds. Two seconds is a long time, relatively speaking. The two seconds is only for one off-on-off cycle, not for the entire number of cycles required for a PIN digit or "learning mode" digit input. Take a look at this procedure and try it. Brian (Rifledriver) has done dozens of Alarm ECU programmings to accept new alarm remotes/fobs, I have only done one. But one is all you need. Mine worked on the first time for engine start and the second time for Alarm ECU programming to accept new remotes/fobs. You can do it, too.

    Taz
    Terry Phillips
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  4. Richard-ModenaF1

    Jan 4, 2009
    5
    Chicago
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    Richard C.
    Thank you Brian and Terry.

    With your help I was able to program the Alarm ECU to accept the three new fobs. My first mistake was that I thought that the entire number of "off-on-off" cycles for a PIN code digit must be done in under 2 seconds. (So - for the number "9" you would need to cycle "off-on-off" nine times in under 2 seconds !!!) I now understand that for the number "9" you have closer to 18 seconds to complete the cycles. My second mistake was either a mistake in the directions -or- something a little different with my car. After entering the PIN (step 8 under Starting a Ferrari without a Key Fob) my LED did not go off as indicated in step 9. Rather, I had to turn the key to the "II" position after completing step 8 - at which time the LED went off and I could start the car without the fob. I hope a few other people would test this out and maybe the instructions could be changed a bit if others note the same thing.

    Once I learned to enter the PIN; putting the Alarm in the "self-learning" mode was easy. Now I have three working fobs. The remote kit that I ordered from Ferrari also came with a new PIN code card with a new (different) PIN code number. (The new PIN code card also had my VIN printed on it) After reprogramming I tried to start the car with the old PIN code and it did not work. I tried the new PIN code that came with the new remotes and it worked fine. Very cool !!! Once again - Brian and Terry - Thank you !!! I love FerrariChat !!!
     
  5. slice

    slice Formula Junior

    Jan 4, 2008
    312
    Connecticut, US
    Richard,

    I was in the exact same situation on my 360 Coupe, purchased as "Ferrari Approved, Certified Pre Owned" so I made it a point to make sure obtaining a new set was part of the purchase contract.

    Sure enough, Ferrari New England came through (2 month wait for the original PIN and new FOBs from Italy) and just this past Thursday the guys at Miller Motors here in CT hooked me up...as I watched the tech do it (didn't want to try it myself) I thought what an odd system...nonetheless, it worked and within 5 minutes I was on my way!

    Keep that red and the PIN in a safe place pal
     
  6. rss04

    rss04 Karting

    Apr 14, 2008
    54
    St. Paul, Minnesota
    When I bought my 360, it only had one black key FOB. The seller ordered a new set of fobs and an additional spare key but didn't get the fobs programmed.
    So, I tried the method Taz described and not only could I not get it to work, but the car essentially "locked me out" for about an hour before I could even start the car again. Thought I did something wrong, so after I was able to start the car, I tried it again. Same result...could not get the fobs programmed and the car would not start for almost an hour.
    I believe the alarm code is correct because the VIN on the code matches my cars VIN.
    What am I doing wrong....any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

    Thanks
     
  7. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Richard- Good point on going to "on" before starting the car. Since I always turn it to "on" and wait for the "Check OK" light to come on, at which point the LED goes off, I did not even think about it. Will modify the instructions accordingly.

    RSS- Do you have the old, original PIN? The old PIN is the one burned in your original, lost red remote, and currently programmed into your Alarm ECU. It should have come with the paperwork in your car's owner's manual folder. There is even a spot to write it in your warranty book, which I highly recommend. You might check to see if it was previously entered by the original owner.

    You must use the original PIN to reprogram your Alarm ECU to memorize the new red remote PIN and to memorize the identifiers on all three new remotes. If you try to start the car or reprogram the Alarm ECU using the new red remote's PIN, the Alarm ECU assumes you are trying to steal the car and shuts the system down for some period of time, which it sounds like you have already discovered.

    Brian, Dave, Steve- Any other ideas? You have done a bunch more of these than I have.

    Taz
    Terry Phillips
     
  8. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    Original PIN required. New fobs will come with new pin with vin but old pin still required.
     
  9. rss04

    rss04 Karting

    Apr 14, 2008
    54
    St. Paul, Minnesota
    #9 rss04, Apr 20, 2009
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  10. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    Have another look. You are off by more than one.

    Looks to me like they gave you someone else's code.
     
  11. rss04

    rss04 Karting

    Apr 14, 2008
    54
    St. Paul, Minnesota
    I pointed this out to the dealer before I bought the car but was told that because the last eight digits matched, this was the PIN for this car...can anyone verify this to be correct or was I fed a line?
     
  12. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    #12 Rifledriver, Apr 20, 2009
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    I spent most of my adult life in dealers and I don't believe anything they say. I know better.


    This is one of those situations where you can go around in circles, get frustrated and not get your car fixed all for the sake of saving a few bucks or you could have just taken it to the dealer or Ferrari shop of your choice, have them get the remotes and have them program it and if codes don't work ot VIN's are wrong it is all someone else's problem.
     
  13. fatbillybob

    fatbillybob Two Time F1 World Champ
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    RSS,

    Right about now would'nt you like to find a way to just excorcise that evil possed system out of the car?
     
  14. rss04

    rss04 Karting

    Apr 14, 2008
    54
    St. Paul, Minnesota
    No kidding.... ;-)))). Actually the car is already scheduled to go in and have this taken care of. I just wanted to do this as an exercise in trying something new. If it worked, these forums would have proved to be more than a place to view some beautiful cars for me... If not, it's still a great place to hear some of the banter and get ideas. Thanks, all.
     
  15. RayJohns

    RayJohns F1 Veteran
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    +1
     
  16. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    RSS- What you will probably get is a new Alarm ECU with a new PIN already programmed, and three new remotes, with the red one containing the same PIN as the Alarm ECU. Supposedly prices have come down on these sets, but I guess you are about to find out. Hopefully the dealer will cover the cost.

    Taz
    Terry Phillips
     
  17. rss04

    rss04 Karting

    Apr 14, 2008
    54
    St. Paul, Minnesota
    I'll keep you guys posted once I find out. Bummer about my code though... I really wanted to try your method, Oh well....
     
  18. flipdowt

    flipdowt Karting

    Dec 13, 2008
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    going through the same ordeal as you are.car came with only 1 correct key and black remote,other key black and red remote were not for my car.just received a new key and three remotes (1 red) and a new alarm code but i do not have my original alarm pin code so i can't program new remotes unless i change my alarm ecu.i called the dealer and they said an email will be sent to the factory along with a color copy of my license and registration and my old code will be sent back to the dealer tomorrow via email along with a hard copy sent in the mail to my home address.let see if they speak with forked tongue
     
  19. fatbillybob

    fatbillybob Two Time F1 World Champ
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    RSS,

    If you are able to delete the factory alarm I would like to know how it is done. Please let us know or PM me. I have ideas but I have not tried them.
     
  20. flipdowt

    flipdowt Karting

    Dec 13, 2008
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    forgot to post ... dealer e-mailed me my original alarm code,and with f chat instructions i got it on the first try. thanks for the help
     
  21. rss04

    rss04 Karting

    Apr 14, 2008
    54
    St. Paul, Minnesota
    Hi guys:

    I apologize if I am driving this subject into the ground but...just wanted you all to know that after following the instructions as described by Taz (I luv ya, man!!) I finally have a fully functioning set of fobs including my red one. The pin I have is correct despite the fact that the VIN did not match exactly, (the dealer actually spoke the truth, Rifledriver, a rarity, I know). This has been a great exercise in following instuctions and a great experience with the members of this board. You can't believe how excited I am!!!
     
  22. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    #22 tazandjan, May 16, 2009
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    rss, John- I love a happy ending.

    Taz
    Terry Phillips
     
  23. batman360

    batman360 Rookie

    Jun 8, 2009
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    I bought a 360 F1 last fall....I was thinking of upgrading to a 430 so I have been trying to sell the car on my own...anyways long story short..when I bought the car I put my alarm pin code the red master key in a safe place like I was told and never used it...the other day I was showing the car to someone interested in buying it and realized the red master key was not working...the battery in the remote is fine...all I have is the two ignition keys, one black FOB that works, and the four digit pin code. I quickly started calling Ferrari dealers to fix the problem..I have gotten many different answers some i like more than others...

    Since I live far from a Ferrari dealer I just wanted to know if anyone knew the solution to this....Do I need to buy a whole new alarm system or can a new set of FOBs be reprogrammed to my existing alarm...thanks in advance for any help

    I emailed (if the option was available) some people on this thread who I thought could help...but if anyone can help pls feel free to post

    Thanks
     
  24. Skidkid

    Skidkid F1 Veteran
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    Been discussed, even in this thread but the short answer is can't tell with the information provided. Try the PIN and see if you can start the car. Then let us know that result.

    As for the red remote. Change the battery anyway and give it a try. You may have to push the button several times to get it synchronized again. Sit in the car and push the button. The system should respond. If not, try it several more times, pausing in between, and see if the system responds. Then report this result too.

    With that information we can probably get you headed in the right direction. Good luck.
     
  25. mags355

    mags355 Karting

    Oct 29, 2007
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    Sydney
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    Hi Guys,
    i was wondering if anyone would be able to let me
    know what are 2 remote looking gadgets i have
    in my handbook case. They are approx the same size as
    my remotes and half as skinny. They have a flashing red light
    and a button to press and both have barcodes on them which are
    not of the same digits
     

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