001S

I think it is good to see some photos of the versions you mentioned.
First photo of the Giro of Sicily 1950, then Coppa di Palermo 1950, Catania Etna 1951, Targa Florio 1951 and 2 photos of the rebodied car at the Targa 1952 and Monte Pellegrino 1952.
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Have to correct some of my own nonsens. La Motta had his fatal accident not in 1950 but of course in 1951, more detailed on April 1 during the Giro di Sicilia (which was NOT identical with the Targa Florio that year!), at the small village of Priolo Gargallo. Thus Tramontana bought 001S not from the heirs, but from La Motta himself.

The picture posted by Boudewijn captured "Giro di Sicily 1950" and r/n 427 shows Stefano La Motta with his co-pilot and mechanic Gennaro Alterio. Date is 2 April 1950, and that year the 10th Giro di Sicilia WAS combined with the 34th Targa Florio. In my opinion here 001S still has the original long rear.

 

Well, that means that the frame of 10S is fully identical with that of the LWB Spyder Corsas. I don't know whether one or more of the later 166 MM or 166 Inter had the same layout, as these cars are not really "my baby". But afaik the MM's had underslung frames with a bolted-in center transverse, and the road cars the fishmouth-welded X with transverse, some archer over the rear, others underslung. Possibly some of the SC frames had been surplus, as Colombo decided to use a different layout for the SWB cars.

 

Sweet

 

This is similar to 001S in SC form, but not exactly. Any ideas which car it is?

http://images.forum-auto.com/mesimages/493723/tf_1949_347_ferrari%20(2).jpg

 

Last appearance of 12I before receiving a new Fontana body.

 

No.
THIS is #012I in 1949 layout:
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The photo in question shows Sterzi / Monari at the 1949 Targa Florio, #346.
It is NONE of the known 9 tipo 166 Inter Spyder Corsa....
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This is intriguing. Can you explain how you know for sure it isn't one of the nine?

 

Sorry, 8 only of course...

002C - still with the Besanas, different nose and wings
004C - owned (or rented from the Besanas) by Franco Mosters, different nose and wings
006I - driven in the same event by Biondetti / Benedetti
008I - similar layout, but driven in the same event by Vallone / Sighinolfi
010I - for sale at Maranello by Scuderia Inter, but different bodywork
012I - driven in the same event by Bracco / Maglioli
014I - driven in the same event by Bianchetti / Righetti
016I - in USA

 

Thanks.
Is this the first time someone has spotted that this seems to be an 'extra' car?
I notice the picture caption has it as 018I !

 

That' s how 018I comes into play again.
This is the Bracco-Maglioli car.
Has a lot of similarities.
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Better photo of the same.
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No, also others realized this before. But as far as I remember it was not discussed here in the forum.

Of no importance, it's only a "working title". But already at Garda 1948 Sterzi raced a 3rd SWB car which fits not into the known scheme. However, it's the wrong thread anyway for that.

 

Boudewijn, that's NOT Bracco's #012I. It had 7 horizontal bars in the grille, whereas the accident car has only 6. See also the photo I posted earlier. There are enough other photos around, e.g. of the MM, which confirm that. Also the wings had been less enveloped than that of the Sterzi car. 012I also was the only SC with a small air scoop for cockpit ventilation instead of the usual flap. In mid 1949 the additional cooling slits then had been added.
The car on the photo I posted of Sterzi with #346 clearly has 6 bars only.

By the way, the photo with #345 is from 1950, in 1949 Bracco had #347.

 

I would like to pursue this 'extra' SC theme. Is there already a thread? If not please start a fresh one and let's look at it.
Thanks
Will

 

Is this then another photo of #346?

 

The accident car with the locals around?
Yes, that's my believe.

 

There is no thread yet, and I will not open one. I also most probably will not participate in such discussion. Main reason at this moment is lack of time, which will last at least for another 2 or 3 months until the actual project is finished. My business keeps me busy 25 h per day and 8 days per week, and if I spent some hour here and there on my hobby it's pure relaxing. The topic "The 9th Spyder Corsa" is nothing which can be handled with a few postings, it will be an intensive research of all SC's plus all races plus a lot of covering information and data from early 1948 until at least spring 1949. I know what I'm talking about, because I did that already. Most important for this research are photos, because they are the only way to identify the cars. Considering the fact that my FC upload space is nearly full, and that in the past I various times had been kicked my balls because of posting copyright protected photos, I am not very keen to involve myself in a research thread which relies basically on photos only. Hope you will understand and accept.

 

Michael
Thanks for letting me/us know where you stand with regard to this. I'll hope that you can't resist getting involved when you have more time! Maybe a thread will have started by then. I have nothing to contribute at the moment apart from raising the question, but am hoping to get my head round all the info that is now at hand about the early cars. It takes time for it all to sink in, even in outline.
I find it very interesting that there are gaps which might be susceptible to further analysis of what is already in the public domain. The possibility that more information might come to light in the future cannot be entirely excluded either.
Will

 

Michael, I know you are busy but I just want to clarify one point. It is my understanding tha La Motta was killed in the 1951 Targa, not 1950. I have several sources that state this. Please let me know. Thanks Hope what ever you are busy at is productive. thanks tongascrew

 

I also show La Motta killed in 1951 in an Alfa Romeo 1900 berlina, race number 222 at the Giro di Sicilia in April. I believe the Targa Florio was in September....

 

Some years the Giro and the Targa were combined, and some years they were seperate events. They often get confused with each other. I show the Giro on April 1st and the Targa on Sept 9th in 1951...what I have shows La Motta was killed in the Giro in an Alfa 1900 berlina...

 

Michael, 1950?

 

I posted this already 3 days ago....