Boudewijn very interessant pics (As always...) : First one : Modena 47 Cortese with number 20 ??? Second one : Turin 47 Sommer with number 78. And thanks for Napolis for share with us this piece of history. I thing also that it is in the best hands. Gilles
I would strongly recomend this book if you are into early Ferraris, and Chater's in England says they have copies. Gilco is the company that built all the Ferrari chassis from 1947 through 1958. It is a different Colombo than the Ferrari and Alfa guy.. The company still exists today and are called Trfiltubi, and are located near Milan. They make racing sailboats, amongst other things... GILCO LE MACCHINE DI GILBERTO COLOMBO PITTI G Published by MENOSHIRE. Year of Publication: 1993 ISBN No: X-00-000201-0
The photo of the engine was taken by Corado Millanta in the pits at the Valentino Circuit in 1947 and "quote: "it shows the engine of the winning car, driven by Sommer." unquote" Nevertheless I see what you mean. To be continued....
Gilles, I think you are right and someone else is wrong. This pic must have been taken at the Circuito di Modena on September 28 1947. It still is 002C.
Jim , I guess you would't have seen these pics of 002C made in 1993 when the car was in Holland? Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Yes Thanks. As you have figured out Gilles is correct. #20 was Cortesse/Modena #78 was Sommer/Turin (Valetino Circuit) both are 002C. Perhaps some of you can come down when 002C and 0846 run in the Historic Targa Floira this June. Best
No cam rollers must mean dead accurate valve clearances. Longavity must not have been a concern. john
Hmmm, while cam rollers are a great idea I would struggle to end a list of engines I can think of that have a very similar installation as this historic piece, for example: BMW 1602 BMW 2002 BMW same vintage 6 cylinder engines. Ford Pinto engine (used in Cortinas, Capris). Ducati desmo engines. ... I definitely know that the BMW 2002 engine has no wear issues in this area ... as my father pounded one in many years of classic racing! Pete ps: I always thought (and happy to be wrong) that cam rollers were used to reduce friction losses. Actually I cannot think of an engine that uses cam rollers ... or am I getting roller rockers confused here?
PSK, Cam following in the later F V12's is by means of rollers. This engine has steel pads rubbing against the cam lobes. john
Count me in. Actually the date has now been set for May 27-29. Here some pics I took of your car before it was yours, several years ago at the Cavallino's event. PS: I assume you have the Forza article about it as well? It was in number six or seven. Let me know if you don't have it, I'll get you one. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Uh, oh! I guess we're not talking about the same event then: http://www.trofeoflorio.it/english/programma.htm Strange that they have two events so close commemorating basically the same race. Weird. Hey, that gives you a chance to participate in TWO events for the transport costs of one!
Yes I am on to your wave length. Thus what I am saying is that many very reliable engines just have (hardened) steel pads rubbing directly against the cam lobes (ie. my fathers BMW 2002 Tii engine) and they do great mileage. Thus in conclusion, I guess the later F v12's are even more amazing, as personally I can see nothing wrong with this design ... and nether did BMW for example and my fathers BMW 2002 had done well over the 100,000 miles and was still been abused every couple of weeks on NZ race tracks, and the valve clearances never needed adjustment and showed no signs of wear. So yes rollers > hardened steel pads, but nothing wrong with hardened steel pads when it comes to high mileage ... thus Ferrari were not cheap skating or anything. Thus I disagree with this comment: Pete
James , 0846 is soo beautiful ! How can you go home and let her alone ? Do you still plan to take her to the Targa Florio Revival ? So beautiful.
James: I have a Sep 1964 issue of Road & Track with an article about 002C and 004C. Are you interested in a scan? What intrigued me was the the article says that 004C is the oldest Ferrari. Is this because it was actually built before 002C? Where is 004C now?
Hi I would like a scan. 004C is younger than 002C. I have heard it referred to a the "oldest continuous Ferrari" as it retains it's original body but 002C is older and the first car that Mr. Ferrari sold. It's thought that older chassis than 002C survived but if they did they were restamped by Ferrari and built by Ferrari into different cars. Perhaps others can add. 004C is in wonderfull shape and has been owned for a long time by a very nice Gentleman on the West Coast who drives and shows it often. Best
Not sure, but don't think so. I took the pics at the same event and there are different license plates and 002C has also #22 on the hood. What are mud guards? I mean, what do they look like or are different from the ones on 002C?
Nope. 002C plate is not real (Unlike my 002C plate which is) and was screwed on later. Mud Guards are filled in area between cycle fenders and body. Note dash differences as well. http://www.barchetta.cc/All.Ferraris/events-stories/events/2004/monterey/pebble-beach-concours/166-mm-121-lm-375-mm/166-spyder-gallery-01/index.html
Aha, got it. Ok, took some pictures of that car at the same event as well: Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Jim: The sight of Sal and your son hanging out of 002C while blasting through the bayou at a buck ten was wonderful. I wish I had a camera and picture of that!!
This photo shows the MOTTO body which was on chassis 002 C from approximately 1952 until approximately 1968. The MOTTO body was then removed and put on another chassis. This photo was taken in Toronto 1978, when the Motto body was already attached to chassis number 031 S and 031 S was owned at the time by Edmond Williman of Briarcliff Manor/NJ. Carrozzeria Motto was created by Rocco Motto and also known as Ca-Mo. Image Unavailable, Please Login
