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0052 M - ANOTHER Barn Find

Discussion in 'Vintage (thru 365 GTC4)' started by Marcel Massini, Jul 13, 2006.

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  1. Anteriore

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  2. Marcel Massini

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  3. michael platzer

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    i have two pics of the MM 1950 with different touring barchettas #728 and #731 both named to be 0032MT.

    which is the real 0032MT ?

    in both pics the position of the superleggera badge seems to be different compared to marcel massinis first pic in this thread.
     
  4. Marcel Massini

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    Here's another teaser, a photo showing the date stamped on the engine, 9 June 1949 and internal number 16. More soon in "Cavallino" magazine, issue #154 of August 2006.
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  5. SefacHotRodder

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    Awesome. I can't wait to read the story. Congrats Marcel
     
  6. ArtS

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    Marcel,

    In my opinion, it definately started out as a 166, I think the casting date eliminates the cars that started life as 195s. I'm leaning towards 0052M or 0046M with back ups being 0055S, 0067S, 0073S. 0023S and 0028M are probobly too early although 0023S would be neat but I doubt Mr. Medlin would sell.

    I look forward to learning which one it is.

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  7. Aardy

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    I first thought to 0032MT but the air scope clearly shows that it's not the case.

    Second thought : 0052M but the date on engine is strange for a 1950's car.

    Third thought : 0016M, the 1949 "missing" Touring barchetta but the air scope makes me rather thinking to a 1950's one.

    Conclusion : I bet for 0052M due to the air scope which must show a 1950's car.
     
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    I'm hoping that it is the second Auto Avio 815, with a later motor :)
     
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    Post #1 states that it's an even numbered racer, that's not been seen since '59...

    So car was 9 or 10 years old when it went underground.....Curiouser...Curiouser.....

    Would be nice to think that 0018M had been found, Zagato Bodied Berlinetta ?

    David Sydorick would be first in the queue I'm sure....

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  10. Anteriore

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    I think many people (myself included) can't wait untill the latest Cavallino mag comes out :)

    I had been thinking that it is 0018M or 0052M.
    However: the first pic shows the Superleggera and Touring emblems, and I can't find any information that 0018M once had (or had been rebodied to) a Touring body. I do have doubts about 0052M too: wasn't this car already discovered some years ago? (current owner T. Morici?)
     
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    yes but, did 0052M had been shown since ?? I don't think so...

    I'm still convinced it's 0052M.
     
  12. Argento

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    Your right about the Touring emblems, and 0018M was originally bodied by Zagato, So could it be 0020I, The rebuilt 002C, The Touring Le Mans Berlinetta built for Franco Cornacchia???

    NO - I'm still rooting for 0018M....

    016 fits for 0018M for the Engine internals ??

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  13. Harmonyautosport

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    Thats an amazing find, It looks as if it was just frozen in time. I find it very interesting with the ferrari stamping on the gear box, im assumin they used to make the transmissions in house back in those days then?
     
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  15. ArtS

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    There's a 1949 casting number. I think the serial numbers in the 20s would be earlier than the casting date.

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  16. Meister

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    So with all the different vin# guessing...how many even # cars are still missing?
     
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    Marcel, your making it too easy. Keep em guessing a little longer...

    Cheers,

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  18. Aardy

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    0016M or 0052M ?? That's the question !!
     
  19. Argento

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    Aardy,

    Can't be 0016M, That had #14 Engine internals, has to be 0018M......Hope So ????

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    According to Barchetta about 0018m:

    .. - very rough condition, complete frame, engine, suspension, bad body
    68 - 99 - ...................., South of France

    But the body in the picture is looking pretty good with only cracks in the paint........
     
  21. ArtS

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    In post 29, Marcel shows a picture that has a casting stamped with: 16 9-6-49. I don't think 16 referrs to 0016M. Also, a June 1949 date seems to me to be too late for serial numbers in the 20s and earlier.

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  22. Argento

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    It doesn't - See post #44....

    MM & Co gone very quiet......No rebuffs ?

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    How do you address the badges on the hood Marcel's car? Touring, no?

    Regards,

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  24. Argento

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    Indeed they are Touring, but how many have been rebodied at some point in their lives? Why not a Zagato? 0202A is a case in point.

    I'll be the 1st to admit I'm wrong, but everything else fits...After all we're only having a bit of fun at guessing anyway !!!

    Argento
     
  25. ivo73

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    Hello to all,

    my knownledge is something limited on older cars/historical cars..
    but could it not be s/n 0028 M ?
    Or wasn't this a Barchetta Touring ?

    thank you for correction!
    regards
    ivo
     

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