Excellent thread! Here's Branko's forum, for photos of the chassis today: http://server4.foros.net/viewtopic.php?t=339&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0&mforum=muchasrpms
I think we are in a stall point until we get a picture of serial 0304, it has been asked several times without any response. According to Barchetta it also has a 0306# stamped and 0306 has 0304 stamped too, (shall we call them restamps?) hope the historians shed some light to it. branko
I wonder if the real s/n was not so much erased that the owner restamped it himself "N° 0302-T.F." without understand that it was a terrible mistake... The question is : what was the original number BEFORE the restamping ?? 0302T/F or another number ??
It would help me (as a curious bystander) a lot. It seems that there is something strange with the s/n of these cars, i.e. double numbering et al. I would love to see how a genuine one looks like, is located, etc. Totally useless information, of course, but so is most of the info that we share here... for some of us. So, out of curiosity...
I too think this is a possible scenario and that the remains of the original stamping may be beneath the welded-on tab. Can Branko persuade the current owner that nothing would be lost by carefully removing the tab, and much might be gained by seeing what is beneath it?
Cyril you were to fast, I was about to return home and decided I would think it over before answering to Kare and you quoted it before I deleted it, but it is what I thought on that moment, does he know something I dont? The actual owner hasnt touched that car in over 30 years and he said he hasnt touched the numbers. And in that time there was no reason to do something like that. Santiago nice to see you around. Tasman, not an easy task, as I said before, he will need a very good reason to do it. I beleive there most be something under the plate Saluti branko
There won't be anything "beneath the plate", IMO....the plate is the surface installed for the VIN number stamping. I have closely examined one, on a 250LM. Maybe that's what Marcels' brief post points out, the welding bead adjacent could also be a "VIN Plate" that was removed...that's how the Factory so easily changed the cars around to fit the shipping descriptions. Lot's of threads here show the elongated vertical Factory Stamps....that would bring forward another point, a restamping "in the field" would not have had those dies in hand. But the other point is there was never any punctuation...the 'periods' in a frame VIN stamping, that I have seen....Marcel?? They just didn't bother........
Hi Branko, This thread is really interesting, I´ve been following it very closely, also on your forum. Two of the three 625TFs went to Argentina. s/n 0306TF went back to Europe in the 50s and s/n 0304TF stayed in Argentina. I don´t know the whereabouts of Milán´s car, 0304TF though I know some people identify Quintano´s car as 0304TF. Muchos saludos! Cris.-
Cris. Lets see if I am confused or not, do you mean 0304 stayed in Argentina? If so no wonder we cant get the photo of the serial I am looking for. Cordial saludo. branko
Branko, Milán's car, then raced by Néstor Salerno stayed was last seen in Argentina. I give 0304TF to this car. Whereabouts unknown to me. The other 625TF, owned by Roberto Wenceslao Bonomi in Argentina was raced in Argentina and then brought to Italy in the 50s. Saludo! Cris.-
0304TF is owned by Juan Quintano from Madrid, Spain. It has participated in several historic events such as the 2007 Mille Miglia and being show driven by the late Jean Sage at the 2006 and 2008 Grand Prix Historique of Monaco.
Hi Boudewijn, There is general consensus about Quintano´s car being 0304TF, but I don´t know why. What do you think? When I saw the car in Italy I was not able to take a picture of the s/n stamping. Regards. Cris.-
Hi Cris, No doubt Antoine Prunet has a very thorough knowledge of this car: he owned it in the 90-ies. As he contributes on this site, maybe he would be so kind to telll us more. Regards Boudewijn
If Prunet is Tom Roland in FC and owned the car, he could bring a photo with the serial, it is just for comparing. branko
Waiting for Tom Roland´s opinion. s/n 0304TF was last raced by César Rivero in Paraguay in 1963. When Rivero bought the car from Salerno it had two engines. One went into a boat, whereabouts unknown to me. The car was stored at Rivero´s garage for some time (picture taken in 1963). When I asked him he didn´t remember where it went. Regards. Cris.- Image Unavailable, Please Login
Roberto Bonomi brought 0306TF to Europe in 1954. It never came back to Argentina. Regards. Cris.- Image Unavailable, Please Login
I made a collage with the grill that has been with this car for well over 50 years. branko Image Unavailable, Please Login
Hi Cris, I am not at all sure the consensus is general. I inspected the car may 1997 at the Christies auction Geneva for a potential buyer. I advised negative based on a number of observations one of them being that the car bears a correct looking number 0306 TF and a not convincing number 0304 TF on a tag that is welded-on in a non Ferrari manner. I have pictures but do not know how to post them. Regards, Bart
I agree. It looks to me the current S/N is on a welded on small plate, but it might have been there 50 years. It would be very interesting to find out what is beneath it, if anything. It just could be the original plate was removed, and replaced with the current one...but when?