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  1. tongascrew

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    #1 tongascrew, Nov 11, 2012
    Briefly 0363GT was crashed by Voos shortly after taking delivery in 1955.Voos returned this car to S.F. and bought a new 250GT 0381GT which he had renumbered by S.F. to 0363GT. S.F. rebuilt the original 0363GT, renumbered it to 0381GT and sold it[as new,not verified] to Freddy Damman from Brussels B. Later the car went to Leon Sven [Germany?]. Supposidly in 1959 the car [may] have been renumbered by?? to 0663GT. Then there is the story that 1001GT was renumbered to 0363GT. Finally there is the Barchetta data showing 0381GT[the ex and rebuilt 0363GT] being sold to Peter Halm in 1966 and the rest [not much] is shown thru 1995. If anyone would like to comment in any way on the subject no matter how vague or unverified I am sure I and others would be most interested. You know who you are so let's hear from you. Thanks much. tongascrew
     
  2. El Wayne

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    #2 El Wayne, Nov 11, 2012
    According to my notes:

    250 Europa GT s/n 0363/GT was renumbered to s/n 0381/GT.

    250 Europa GT s/n 0381/GT was renumbered to s/n 0363/GT and then was renumbered again to 0663/GT.

    250 PF Coupe s/n 1001/GT was renumbered to s/n 0363/GT.

    250 GT PF Cabriolet s/n 0663/GT was renumbered to s/n 0999/GT.

    In other words:

    0363 >>> 0381 (250 Europa GT)

    0381 >>> 0363 >>> 0663 (250 Europa GT)

    1001 >>> 0363 (250 GT PF Coupe)

    0663 >>> 0999 (250 GT PF Cabriolet)
     
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    #3 El Wayne, Nov 11, 2012
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    Yes, Voos crashed 0363/GT(PF#12554) and traded it back in for 0381/GT(PF#13944). The serial numbers of the two cars were swapped to avoid paying taxes on the new car.

    The Belgian Dr. Albert Grenade, who owned 0363/0381(PF#13944) after Voos, traded it to Garage Francorchamps for new PF Coupe 1001/GT in 1958. As usual, the serial numbers were swapped to avoid paying taxes on the new car, and the PF Coupe was assigned s/n 0363/GT. I have nothing to show that s/n 1001 was ever assigned to the Europa (PF#13944), however, and it eventually went to the Netherlands in a swap for 250 PF Cabriolet 0663/GT and took on that serial number (the third for the little Europa). The PF Cabriolet became s/n 0999/GT.
     
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    #4 tritone, Nov 11, 2012
    EW? Can we do this today, say in WA state? Love to buy an F12 renumbered as my 550 (now approaching worthlessness)? $89/yr registration too? Woohoo!
     
  5. tongascrew

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    #5 tongascrew, Nov 12, 2012
    Let's see in if I have this right. When Grenade traded 0363/0381 to G.F for the new 1001GT, G.F. re#n 1001GT to 0363GT. What may have happened was that G.F. later figured out that now there were two cars with the same s/n 0363GT. So G.F. brought Grenade"s new car back in and changed the s/n to 0663GT.It took me awhile to figue this out which may explain why 1001GT/363GT became 0663GT.
     
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    #6 bigodino, Nov 14, 2012
    0381 and 1001 today are both owned by Dries Jetten. There was an article about this a few years ago in a Dutch magazine. I'm still looking for it though.
     
  7. kare

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    #7 kare, Nov 14, 2012
    NO!!! The likely explanation for all that serial number swapping is that Swaters liked to swap titles between cars in a way that best suited his needs. As it has at all times and in all legal systems been very difficult (=almost impossible) to duplicate titles, only one car with a given number could exist at one time.

    It is still largely a mystery what the bottom motive for these changes really was. Import/road tax seems to be the best guess every time a number got changed, but that does not exactly explain what sort of benefit was reached by swapping the titles of two used cars one-on-one. I would like to see a little deeper analysis on that before starting to speculate - very much the same as a rebody always seems to generate a guess that it was a result of a crash, a no-brainer which just is not true in many of the cases!
     
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    #8 tongascrew, Nov 14, 2012
    My theory is just that,a theory.It does appear however that two cars came out of E. F. with the same s/n. which was then corrected also by E.F. It might be interesting to see what Classiche has to say. tongascrew
     

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