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  1. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Ferrari says #24 is 0858 NOT 0856.

    The original Le Mans Scrutinising Documents I have show the opposite and list the engine # and chassis # of the 24 car as being 0856.

    I showed these documents to Ferrari.

    They shrugged and continue to state that the # 24 at Le Mans in 1967 was 0858.
     
  2. GTE

    GTE F1 World Champ

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    That is quite interesting Jim!

    The scrutineering data probably shows the #21 car as 0858 and Ferrari than has to insist that that is 0856. Allthough I wouldn't put it past Ferrari to say two 0858's took part in that race.

    Thanks for your insights Jim.
     
  3. mseals

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    <disregard>

    Mike
     
  4. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ
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  5. Enzo Anselmo Ferrari

    Enzo Anselmo Ferrari Formula Junior

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    It raises a coachbuilder to the rank of artist!! :)
     
  6. retired

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    are not they supposed to be natural unpainted aluminum shocks??
     
  7. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ
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    #757 Napolis, Jun 2, 2010
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    If Koni is to be believed no. You have any period color photo's of the shocks? The only ones I could find are inconclusive. Koni was adamant that as manufactured and restored by them they were orange but with all things they could be wrong. My Koni Lola shocks were orange when I bought the car in 1971.

    Was the inside roof of 0850 painted or left aluminum?
     
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    Roof not painted
    what are the model numbers stamped on the shocks?

    850 had non-painted shocks. also, shocks obtained from Ferari racing parts stores also unpainted. will find a pic and post later
     
  9. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ
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    #759 Napolis, Jun 2, 2010
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    0844
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  10. of2worlds

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    Seeing as we are on colors...why are exhaust headers painted white? Was it an issue with heat or just to make any leaks easier to spot?
    CH
     
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    The following pics.

    shocks: original as per 4512P build sheets. note center one has ferrari made top with angle to clear suspension. the end units have stock tops but were not used on the car

    the suspension pics are 1970 850 unrestored
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  12. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ
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    That's the color they were painted. VHT paint. (Very High Temp).
     
  13. Napolis

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  14. alberto

    alberto Formula 3

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    Did Koni put the old styke stickers or did you get them? Do you have a source for them?
     
  15. modena1_2003

    modena1_2003 F1 Rookie

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    ...My desktop now.


    I swear that's automotive art. How long until she's finished? I suppose you'll have her on the streets as well?


    _J
     
  16. f308jack

    f308jack F1 Rookie

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    Jim,

    Where and when was this photo of 0844 taken? The reason I ask is that we discussed the gold paint on the outside of your gearbox a while back, and this gearbox appears to be just a casting. Was this gearbox casing made from a less porous material, was it painted silver or was it painted on the inside only?
    I hope I'm not confusing cars!
     
  17. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ
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    #767 Napolis, Jun 3, 2010
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    The photo of 0844 was taken a few years ago. The importance of the paint is to seal the casting and it has to be put on the inside of the case but the outside of the case doesn't have to be painted. The outside of 0846's was painted gold. Also note 0850's was gold as well. All of these cars were slightly different. The rebuild and stickers were put on by Koni and they said that the shocks were definitely delivered like that but Ferrari could have stripped the paint and machined them a bit. Also some had post Factory racing experience such as 0854 so it could have been modified a bit more. The Fog of time...
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  18. Athanase

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    I have a period photo,the Koni of #24 at Le Mans 67 were red or orange/red.
     
  19. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Could you please post it or email me a copy?

    Thanks.
     
  20. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ
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  21. Athanase

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    #771 Athanase, Jun 4, 2010
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    I post only a part of the photo for copyright reason.

    I will send you more by email.

    It is #24 at Le Mans 67 (for me 0856).
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  22. Arjan

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    The man in suit on the left is Koni's Henk Richten, instrumental in Koni's racing activities in the 50's-70's.
     
  23. Sire Bruno de Losckley

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    is 0856?
    please, when, and where this pics was taken.
    at left "Scintilla" Marelli Magnetti ingenieur.
     
  24. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ
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    I think that answers the question!
     
  25. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ
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    The photo of 0844 with orange shocks was taken years ago. This photo (Post 767) is of 0846 at Daytona in 1967.
     

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