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10 Quickest Ferrari Production Street Cars?

Discussion in 'Ferrari Discussion (not model specific)' started by sjb509, Nov 1, 2005.

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  1. sjb509

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    Does anyone have a list of the top ten fastest production Ferraris around a race track? I say production because obviously the ten fastest Ferraris would be the last ten years' F1 cars. In order to limit it only to stock street-legal cars, it would also eliminate the FXX, F50GT, 333SP, 575GTC F40LM, etc...

    This is just a guess without anything to back it up, if anyone has an opinion or hard numbers please post:
    10. 288GTO
    9. 360 Spyder
    8. 550M
    7. 575M
    6. 360 Modena Coupe
    5. F40
    4. F430
    3. Challenge Stradale
    2. F50
    1. Enzo
     
  2. Ken

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    Top speed, 0-60, or track laps? These are three different concepts of "fastest". I prefer track laps as the criteria since that's what a Ferrari is supposed to do: turn.

    In general, The Enzo should be top in all 3; I would think the F40 beats the F50 in track lap times as well as a few others listed ahead of it.

    I'm surprised the 288 is even on the list but I can't back that up with statistics.

    Ken
     
  3. sjb509

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    Fastest around a track, lowest lap time assuming same driver and weather conditions. Whether that track is Nurburgring or Fiorano, I leave up to you to say.
     
  4. riverflyer

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    I am not sure either Ken, but I believe a properly set up 288 is faster than a 360 spyder and probably the 550m as well, unless its Stephens car!!
     
  5. WarrenF355

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    I'm pretty sure the F50 beat the F40 around Fiorano in a list of Ferrari laptimes around Fiorano that was posted here a while back. You might want to try a search... don't know what parameters to suggest though.
     
  6. 2000YELLOW360

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    From what I understand, the 360 is quicker around the track than the F40. Something to do with the electronics, etc.

    Art
     
  7. sjb509

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    Here are a few I found on the Top Gear site. Sadly not all cars have been tested, but the relative ranking for each listed below is a place to start. Not sure about the weather being similar, but I think it is the same driver.

    1. Enzo 1.19.0
    2. 360 CS 1.22.3
    3. 575M 1.35.2
     
  8. masermartin

    masermartin Formula Junior

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    Ferrari does not move backwards in performance of their supercars.

    F50 was defenitely faster than the F40 on Fiorano, by how much I don't know.
     
  9. rammsteinmatt

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    i read that the 430 was beaten by only the enzo, performance wise. whether this was 0-60, 440, or around a track, i dont know
     
  10. Webby

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    what about the superamerica
     
  11. SSNISTR

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    Well what do you want? You say quickest and fastest, there is a difference.
    Quickest would mean 0-60 for example, fastest would mean top speed etc.
     
  12. Ed P.

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    mondial? :D
     
  13. WDR328

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    I think you would have to include the F512M as it had a top speed of 197MPH, 0-60 in 4.6, quarter mile in 12.6.and you to consistently blister the fiorano test track.
     
  14. taunus

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    Here are some times from Fiorano:

    1'18"90 360 N-GT, testdriver
    1'22"30 Enzo 2003, testdriver
    1'22"40 360 Challenge, testdriver
    1'23"848 Maserati Trofeo, testdriver
    1'25"40 355 Challenge 1997, Slicks, Nicola Larini
    1'26"50 355 Challenge 1995, street tires, testdriver
    1'27"00 F50, testdriver
    1'28"00 F50 1995, testdriver
    1'28"00 360 Challenge Stradale, testdriver
    1'29"60 F40 1990, testdriver
    1'30"00 F40 1987, testdriver
    1'30"00 360 Modena F1, testdriver
    1'31"50 360 Modena, testdriver
    1'31"50 F 40 1987, Gerhard Berger
    1'31"51 575M Maranello F1, testdriver
    1'32"53 550 Maranello, testdriver
    1'33"00 348 Challenge, testdriver
    1'33"00 575M Maranello, testdriver
    1'33"00 355 F1 1997, testdriver
    1'34"00 355 1994, testdriver
    1'34"00 550 Maranello 1997, testdriver
    1'35"00 512M 1995, testdriver
    1'35"00 512TR 1992, testdriver
    1'35"00 456MGT, testdriver
    1'35"00 Maserati 4200 GT, testdriver
    1'36"00 Testarossa 1984, testdriver
    1'37"00 348TB 1989, testdriver
    1'37"00 288GTO 1985, testdriver
    1'40"00 456GT 1992, testdriver
    1'50"00 308GTB 1980, US Version, testdriver
     
  15. menoy

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    :O wow... I had no idea the 360C is so quick!
     
  16. sjb509

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    Did you actually read the first few posts?
     
  17. sjb509

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    So...taking these times and ignoring the non-street models.

    1. Enzo
    2. F50
    3. Challenge Stradale
    4. F40
    5. 360 Modena
    6. 575M
    7. 550 Maranello
    8. 355
    Tie for 9: 512M, 512TR, 456MGT

    Absent is the F430. The 612 Scag is also not reported, and would almost certainly be faster than the 456MGT. So using these numbers, the top ten would be the eight listed above plus the F430 and 612 in there somewhere.
     
  18. SSNISTR

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    Well I read YOUR first post, it clearly says quickest, then says fastest around a track.
    Quickest would be the time, and fastest is the speed, big difference.
     
  19. parkerfe

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    I wonder what the times for the three Boxer models were back when they were new cars?
     
  20. Boxer12

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    How long has the track at Fiorano been exactly the same? Surface, etc.
     
  21. Auraraptor

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    If I recall there was a change in the 90s to the track.
     
  22. rush109

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    always thought the f430 beat out the CS...
     
  23. Prova85

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    And a lowly Tr bests the infamous 288GTO ? Oh My.....
     
  24. Tempest

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    Newbie. Couldn't resist posting. 512TR in sights next year just £10k more cash and there! Will keep quiet again after this.

    Anyway, as a Brit, don't believe there have been any material changes to Fiorano layout other than (!) a chicane in 1992 - no idea of the effect on times. Below is a good description of why the track is the way it is and why it is such a good test of YOUR ferrari's all round ability (oh, and a bit about mugello too). As a non F car owner (so far) the times of (i) the 360 CS; (ii) F40 (almost 19 years old that car!!) and (iii) 456MGT (b***dy hell) stand out to me.

    Re the meaning of "quick" - I hear F1 cars have done it in around 55 seconds....


    "In 1972 Enzo Ferrari's dream of a dedicated test track was realised with the building of the Fiorano track close to the factory at Maranello. The tracks main purpose is to test the latest F1 and GT racing cars, the team mechanics also use the track to practice the events of a race-simulated pit stop.

    The layout of the track is typical to that of a regular road. It has a tortuosity index of 1.24, with 1,661 meters of bends and 1,339 meters of straight. The length of the standard course is 3,000 meters, extended to 3,021 meters by the new chicane built in 1992. The average speed for the course is over 160 km/h, with peaks of more than 290 km/h.

    The amount of straight road and bends was designed to solve specific problems: a balance between right and left bends, bends with a differentiated radius, from 13.71 to 370 meters; bends with different features having one or more centres. Although convinced that it was impossible to repeat bends typical of other racetracks, the designers did try to include elements that resembled the salient features of some European courses. Bend no. 1 is used to assess car behaviour when braking hard. Bends 2 and 9 (sharp bends to left and right) to verify brakes when turning into the bend and engine elasticity when leaving it.

    The next two equal radius bends, 4 and 5, were designed to verify centrifugal effects on fuel supply and handling between left and right. The uphill slope, with its 6.5% incline as from bend 6, and the straight between bends 6 and 7, with a number of ups and downs including a first hump, a dip and another hump, were designed to highlight variations in stability during car trajectory transients. The road between curves 10 and 14 was intended to highlight overall car performance, particularly from an aerodynamic viewpoint. Chicane 15 provides a good indication of engine and chassis behaviour during acceleration, particularly relating to drive.

    The circuit benefits from having a computerised system that sends all the technical information from the car direct to the pits, this includes details on speed, lap times and all host of technical information to aid in the development of the car. The circuit is covered by 10 fixed cameras to aid the team in seeing just what is happening on the track.

    In the pits the team has access to the television, timing and computer control room, Safety at the track is extremely high, with a dedicated fire truck and fire posts, along with the track's own emergency ambulance. The track is completely fenced off from the public, but this does not deter the passionate Tifosi from watching behind the fence in the hope of seeing the cars going round the circuit.




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    MUGELLO

    Ferrari being Ferrari one dedicated test track is simply not good enough, so what do they do they get themselves another one. Fiorano may be the best known for Ferrari testing but the Mugello circuit plays host to many Ferrari test sessions throughout the season.

    The Mugello racetrack originates from an old road circuit that ran for over 66km. The first race to be held at Mugello was held way back in 1914. Racing at the track was soon interrupted by World War One.

    After the was the track saw it's greatest moments in it's long history especially in the sixties after the famous 'Mille Miglia' road race disappeared. The names who have raced at the circuit still echo around the track. Campari, Brilli Peri, Ascari, Emilio Materassi are among the names. Enzo Ferrari won the race in 1921 in an Alfa Romeo.

    At the end of the sixties the track had to be closed for safety reason, but on 23rd of June 1974 the circuit was reopened with a F5000 race.

    Ferrari bought the race track in 1989 and have greatly remodelled the track since the purchase. Today the track off course plays host to Ferrari test days but it also has the World Road Racing Championship, the ITC International Touring Car Championship, the World Superbike Championship along with the FIA GTI Championship.

    Through forests and green areas the track runs for over 5,000m. Facilities at the circuit have been built to the highest specifications. Elevated viewing areas allow spectators to have a great view of the action on track. Ferrari test session attract a lot of attention and although a lot are behind closed doors there are days when the Tifosi are allowed through the gates to see the Scuderia test.

    The track is equally divided between straight sections and turns. 15 turns make up a lap at Mugello with 9 right handers.

    Due to the varied nature of the circuit containing straights, chicanes and ups and downs it makes an idea place to test all aspects of a Formula One car especially the engine and the aerodynamics. The Ferrari team make ideal use of this when they regularly test at Mugello.

    Safety at Mugello is of the highest standards, with 24 camera's lined to closed circuit TV the marshal's are in constant touch with the action. The track's medical centre is fully operational and all staff trained to the high standards required for such a track.

    Between Fiorano and Mugello Ferrari spend a lot of time, so if you are ever in the area and hear a sweet sound you may just may get a glimpse of the Red cars in action."
     
  25. 285ferrari

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    Good info Tempest--Thanks
     

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