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  1. maranello71

    maranello71 Formula 3

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    Ok this is not strictly Ferrari-related but it's very interesting. From an Italian newspaper, I read yesterday about a 62-yr old man from Italian Südtirol who owns an oil company, is a great supercar lover and hates flying.

    The result? He's put 100.000 Kms on his Lamborghini Murcielago in little more than 2 years! And according to his experience, he has had "no trouble at all - just regular servicing". He says the Murci has proved reliable and driveable in all weather conditions, including in winter with snow tires! But even more amazing is that in the same 2 years he's put 40.000 Kms on his Pagani Zonda S!!!! Now that must be a record.

    Apparently drives his cars everywhere, including Eastern Europe, without ever the slightest problem.

    He explained that after 15 years of Ferraris, he got bored and moved to Lambo 10 years ago (5 Diablos and now the Murci). He finds Ferraris are "not so exciting"! :D :D :D

    Does anyone have stories about Ferraris being driven with similar intensity?
     
  2. Dutchman

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    That is amazing. I think that this guy should be a long range testdriver for Lamborghini. They should be very proud to have people like this man driving their cars.
    In my opinion it shows that these cars are made for driving. If you let them stand in the garage for a long time they break down.

    :)
     
  3. taunus

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  4. maranello71

    maranello71 Formula 3

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    Here's some numbers that I poached from this German forum: it's amazing!! (For non-German speakers, "ohne Revision" means without major rebuild).

    308 GTS ~100.000 Meilen
    308 QV 160.000 Meilen ohne Revision
    ein anderer 308 > 180.000 Meilen
    1985er Testarossa > 130.000 Meilen
    F40 > 90.000 Meilen (viele davon auf der Rennstrecke)
    1985er Testarossa > 260.000 Meilen
    1987er 328 > 100.000 Meilen
    308 > 265.000 Meilen (das sind über 425.000 Kilometer)
    1979er 308 > 143.000 Kilometer
    512 TR > 300.000 Kilometer, dieser ist mittlerweile ersetzt worden durch einen 550 Maranello, der pro Jahr 50.000 Kilometer mehr auf die Uhr bekommt

    Astonishing, isn't it!!! I think the old lower-revving V8s and the V12s are the most durable. I suspect that the 8500-plus rpm V8s do not enjoy the same durability if driven near the redline too often (which they do, since they don't have much torque below). The big V12s have so much torque that most of the time they are hardly stressed.
     
  5. alx355gt

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    Great story! :D
    It's good to see that there are people really driving their high performance machines :)

    I've heared it before that some Ferrari's really have no problem with high mileages, if they are used and maintaned correctly.

    Also, in a recent issue of the Dutch "GTO" magazine there's a comparasion test between the Pagani Zonda F and the P. Carrera GT. According to Horacio Pagani himself many of his customers put this kind of mileages on their cars. Don't know if he was exaggerating or not... :)
     
  6. Dutchman

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    A Testarossa with 260.000 miles? That is 415.000 km!!!!!!!!!
    I think that you have just convinced me Andrea! :)
     
  7. cinquevalvole

    cinquevalvole Formula 3

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    It seems to be a piece of cake for those huge engines to run a long distance.
    Remember, a murcie-driver asking his engine for 300 hp would accelerate quicker then 99% of all other traffic - while his engine is still bored :)
    Don't try this with your "Punto-Turbo"! :D

    cinque
     
  8. Simon

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    I think Napolis, of P4 fame, put a fairly hefty mileage on his Testarossa when he had one as a daily driver. Can't remember how many miles, but around the 100,000 mark I think.
     
  9. amenasce

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    And in his 275 GTB as well.. :)
     
  10. Simon

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    Andrea, I think you underestimate the older engines. I wouldn't call a 2V 308 V8 that revs to 7700 designed 30 years ago with 30 year old material technology, low revving. Not a million miles away from a 355 engine toping out at 8500, only 800rpm more with the modern lightweight materials and 5 valve technology used today. I also think 456's, 550's 360's etc cover on average more miles today than your average 308 or Boxer or Testarossa did back then.
     
  11. Simon

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    Right, now I really do not like that guy!

    ;)
     
  12. AntonioMora

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    Also, in a recent issue of the Dutch "GTO" magazine there's a comparasion test between the Pagani Zonda F and the P. Carrera GT. According to Horacio Pagani himself many of his customers put this kind of mileages




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  13. maranello71

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    Simon, I know you are right - I just wanted to stir things up a bit! :)

    It is true though that recent 8-cylinders (355, 360) have shown to have some durability issues. I'm not talking only from my own unlucky experience, but from what I've heard from several sources. Between a 7700 rpm engine with 80 HP/litre and an 8700 rpm engine with 110 HP/litre I think they're crossing a significant threshold. We're talking very high average piston speeds (over 20 m/s for the 355/360) and very high peak pressures (120 bar for the 355/360, if I remember well) - numbers until a few years ago unheard of outside competition engines or superbikes.

    I think Ferrari ventured into dangerous waters with the F355 - they came out with a mechanical jewel, but not an infallible one. Cracked manifolds, leaking valves leading to low compression, damaged bearings due to excessive revs from cold... all these problems reduce the average durability of these engines. Of course there will be "good" F355s that can do 120.000 Kms without a problem, but statistically I think they are a lot more delicate than V12s or even than the older less stressed V8s.

    The 360 was already considerably better than the 355, and the "lessons learned" continues with the F430, which I hope will prove as durable and tough as a V12. Time will tell...
     
  14. Dutchman

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    Do you think that the 12 cylinder Ferrari's can handle more km's?
     
  15. Dino 208gt4

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    Interested?? ;)
     
  16. cinquevalvole

    cinquevalvole Formula 3

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    Theoretically for sure, because the suffer less vibrations.
    In similarity to BMW engines: 6-cylinders are bullet-proofed and good for a
    long live. The 4-cylinders don't have the same reputation.

    cinque
     

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