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12 reasons why we can't yet call Hamilton the next Schumacher...

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  1. PSk

    PSk F1 World Champ

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    Yes this is true and why I do rate him, but I am not going to give him my youngest child or wife for the night like most on this site seem prepared to do. Talk about hero worship dribble :D.
    Not true he went off the track at his first race, but did resolve it well, but it was a mistake none-the-less.
    Damon yes, but JV back then was very, very, very fast just had head expansion problems and a very poor team change choice.

    Pete
     
  2. maxorido

    maxorido Formula 3

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    lol


    Yes I think JV is underrated. I don't care if it was Michael or Mika or Kimi, they wouldn't have been able to do much more with that crap BAR. I was watching races from the 1998 season though, after Williams lost the Renault engines and started with the Mechachrome crap. JV was making quite a few mistakes and it seemed like he could have done a little better than he did. Probably a lack of motivation, or trying to drive the crap Williams like the previous wonder machine.
     
  3. racerx3317

    racerx3317 F1 Veteran

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    It's not BS, knowing the ins and outs of how a team operates is helpful to how the driver performs. Just as Kimi. Don't kid yourself, LH and McLaren growing together for 10 years has been a huge help to him. The first time i really took notice of him he was on the cover of Autoweek, he was asked if DC and Mika ever gave him any advise and things like that. It was obvious that he was spending a lot of time at the factory. Need I mention he was 15 years old. You think something like that might not help?
     
  4. LightGuy

    LightGuy Four Time F1 World Champ

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    Not really in the driving department.
    In the "getting a job" department it seemed to have helped alot.
     
  5. racerx3317

    racerx3317 F1 Veteran

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    It helps in the driving department too. He's NEVER had bad equipment to deal with. Also it's easier to learn when you don't have to worry about who's gonna pay for the damage you do.
     
  6. oss117

    oss117 F1 Rookie

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    Great video: Michael is definitely an outclass.
    Hamilton shows potential, but time will tell if he has what it takes to become a champion.
     
  7. 78-308gt4

    78-308gt4 Formula Junior

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    Well, he handled it quite well. Looks like he is for real.
     
  8. lucky_13_2002

    lucky_13_2002 F1 Rookie

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    That time comes in 2008.
    GO KIMI
     
  9. lucky_13_2002

    lucky_13_2002 F1 Rookie

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  10. zero

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    I find it funny because i remember how arm chair experts used to tear strips out of Kimi Hakkinen in the 90s. Asking if he was the real deal ect ect. Now because he is retired he is a legend;)
    I am going to say this even though i may get a few bullets whizzing past me. But if there was the event of Lewis Hamilton either leaving F1 next year or even tragically killed. The guy would be proclaimed as a legend with lists of his record braking achievements and what he could have done ect ect.
     
  11. QT3141

    QT3141 Formula Junior

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    Kimi, Mika, I can see how confusing the two names are. ;)
     
  12. kraftwerk

    kraftwerk Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Yes it will be interesting to see but you only have to look back at his history in lower levels to see that.
    Whatever he does in your eyes there will always be an IF or BUT.

    All the posts I have ever read is you moaning about him and he keeps proving you wrong so you keep moving the goal posts it makes no odds only highlighting the fact how good he is.
     
  13. kraftwerk

    kraftwerk Two Time F1 World Champ

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    There is only 1 reason we can't call LH the next Schumacher its far to soon..
     
  14. red355

    red355 Formula Junior

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    Or the fact that is has no where near the talent or wholeness as a driver. Michael would raise the level of the car by his own talent and technical development skill. Haven't seen Hamilton do this. Many days his cars weren't the best on the grid, but he made them the best. Mario stated this many times and I believe Mario knows a thing or two about driving.
     
  15. tifosi12

    tifosi12 Four Time F1 World Champ
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    I can't think of a single one.

    The torch has been passed: From Senna to Schumacher to Hamilton.

    Just give it a few years and watch him pick up pole after pole, win after win, title after title.

    PS: I hope I'm wrong on this. Another 7 years of dominance would be just as boring.
     
  16. zero

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    Of course your right:)
     
  17. IanMac

    IanMac Formula 3

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    It is certainly still too early to say how good Hamilton is going to be, but to say at this stage that he doesn't have the talent to be one of the very best is equally premature. To say that he doesn't have what it takes (because he's not driving a Ferrari? ;)) or to laud him as potentially the greatest ever are both claims that lack credibility at this point in time.
     
  18. Senna3xWC

    Senna3xWC F1 Rookie

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    +1

    We should archive the critics' comments from this thread so we can revisit them in 5 years and laugh.

    By the way, for those of you hung up on statistics and claiming that Hamilton has to win 7 WDCs before he can be called the greatest ever: Jimmy Clark won "only" two WDCs. Is there anyone here who seriously doesn't think he among the top 3 greatest drivers in F1 history?
     
  19. tifosi12

    tifosi12 Four Time F1 World Champ
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    Will do.

    Think about Gilles Villeneuve. He never won a single title. Or Moss for that matter.
     
  20. Senna3xWC

    Senna3xWC F1 Rookie

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    Exactly.

    Piquet won 3 WDCS and 22 Gps to Moss's 12 GPs and no WDCs. Would you seriously argue that Piqeut was the better driver???
     
  21. lucky_13_2002

    lucky_13_2002 F1 Rookie

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    Oh come on, give it a rest. There is no way we could tell after the fiasco thus far this year how great/not great Hamilton is.
    As far as anyone comparing him to people like Jimmi Clark, Moss and especially G.Villeneuve is ridiculous.
    To the few (they know who they are) here that continue trolling around- nice cheap shots. Keep trying.
    I believe Hamilton is really really good, but after one year in a dominating car and with all the controversy surrounding him I thing it is a little early to proclaim him a "great one" let alone a "legend". He must earn this status and he probably will in time, but until then he is just a phenomenon and that is definitely not enough to be the next Schumacher or the next-anyone yet.
     
  22. Senna3xWC

    Senna3xWC F1 Rookie

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    I guess if you have no understanding of F1 and have never driven a race car personally, you would have no basis for recognizing an exceptional talent or distinguishing a true talent from someone who is merely quick. The rest of us could see Schumacher's greatness after a race or two or identified Senna's talents from before his first F1 test. Hamilton is the next great F1 driver. It doesn't take a genius to recognize that.
     
  23. lucky_13_2002

    lucky_13_2002 F1 Rookie

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    You are still dizzy from the fumes aren't you? It impairs your reading skills. Or maybe you just need new glasses. Whatever the reason, try to read my post again. If you answer just for the sake of having an answer then you better stop waisting your time.
    Besides what's your beef with me? Every time I say anything you seem to be all over me (apparently even without reading what I said)
     
  24. LightGuy

    LightGuy Four Time F1 World Champ

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    Just someone with open eyes and more importantly; open mind. And then the ability ( risk ) to make the jump.

    I like the radio comment made to LH on his Japan in lap.
    Something to the effect; We can tick off ( the list ) "driving in the rain".
     

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