12Cilindri

I just posted it because of posts suggesting he hadn't been around.

 

Not sure if anyone has posted the actually unveil. In motion everything makes sense, even the "kia" wheels.
It's exquisite.

 

What is that actual track width for the 12 Cilindri. If that is eight inches, most of us who have lifts , the car will hardly make it on. Track width I cannot seem to find

 

Not sure what all the anguish is concerning the width. The FMVSS standard has always been 80" max width without mirrors before the classification had to change for the vehicle type. I can't imagine Ferrari would mfg a car wider than 80" w/o mirrors.
I could be totally wrong on this, but I don't recall the FMVSS regulations changing recently.
Unfolding the mirrors however is another matter.

 

Width has not been confimed. It has been confirmed though, that someone with no interest to accurate specs, has not paid attention that mirror-to-mirror width is not car width.

12Ci is using common chassis platform and it makes no sense that it is suddendly around 20 cm wider than other models.

 

Thanks for the article!

"Apparently, you focused more on conveying the V12 song in the cockpit, instead of debringing those who are outside the cockpit." That's what we want in the first place ) , then we can have a special exhaust on our dealer, and/or ask to set the flaps stuck in open position.

"It almost seems that Ferrari has decided to say enough: its V12 does not need to be faster. Do you want to switch to curvature speed? Buy an SF90. The main task of the 12Cilindri is to keep alive and celebrate the V12 engine." EXACTLY! (Above all when "faster" means 150kg of these damn battery we don't want.)

"The declared dry weight is 1,560 kg, slightly more than the 1,525 kg of the 812, despite the use of carbon fiber parts. The weight gain is due to the larger wheels, the hood and the active aerodynamics" I don't understand why they didn't mentioned the overall larger body..

 

Definitely growing on me the more videos I see of it.

 

F12 1525 kg - 1630 kg 46% front, 54% rear

812 1525 kg - 1630 kg 47% front - 53% rear

12C 1560 kg - 1665 kg 48.4% front - 51.6% rear

We should benefit of a better gravity center in turns, and maybe a tiny less grip as the tires as the same size as the 812s.
I don't know how much heavier the wheels are, but extra weight in wheels are never good.
At the end it would be difficult to really feel the difference, but on paper is at it should be.

Also if I remember correctly the 812 was intrinsically slightly lighter than the f12 but a new regulation added roughly 10-15kg to the exhaust system resulting to a similar weight.

 

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If overall width is 4733 mm, then the width of the car is aroud 2,0 meters. A bit difficult to give more accurate figures because the image is probably not that accurate.

Anyway, in one measurement/calculation I got a width of 2017 mm and started to think if there is actually a typo on in official figure of 2176 mm (0 not typed and 6 typed accidentally while pressing 7).

But I think the mirror width theory is still more likely reason, although the picture would give a mirror-to-mirror figure of around 2,3 m.

As a reference, Lambo Revuelto has a width of 2033 mm (2266 mm including mirrors).

Lambo has 3 cm wider rear tyres and therefore it "needs" to be 6 cm wider than Ferrari, e.g. 812 Superfast is 1971 mm.

 

[QUOTE="Dodici cilindri. Kind of like the Italian version of V8 Ford. A very common term in the 30's.[/QUOTE]

Have we decided how we refer to this car if we are not italian?

"Dodici cilindri"? "Twelve Cilindi"? "Twelve Cylinders"? "Shrek"?

I don't call the 458 or 812 "quattrocentocinquantotto" or "ottocentododici"!

I think that we a consensus.

 

This is my concern.

 

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Leave it to Ferrari to remind us what this business should be all about. This is the Ferrari 12Cilindri Coupe and Spider. Speed, power and drop-dead gorgeous style has been Ferrari's "M.O." forever, and this new machine doesn't disappoint. Slated to replace the current Ferrari 812, the 12Cilindri may in fact be the last of its kind from Ferrari. Designed by Flavio Manzoni and his talented team, the 12Cilindri is an obvious homage to the iconic Ferrari 365 GTB/4 Daytona, and authentic to that legacy is its 6.5-liter normally aspirated V12 that puts out 819HP – with maximum revs rising to 9500 rpm. The 12Cilindri also boasts innovative features such as active aerodynamics – with two distinct elements clearly influenced by aeronautical design – an 8-speed DCT gearbox, independent four-wheel steering and advanced electronics, including systems such as aspirated torque shaping, ABS Evo and Side Slip Control 8.0. The 12Cilindri's V12 includes some of the modifications made on the Ferrari 812 Competizione gleaned from Ferrari's experience in Formula 1, such as the sliding finger follower for a higher-performance valve lift profile. Titanium con rods and aluminum alloy pistons have been used to cut weight and therefore reduce inertia, all to the benefit of both rpm and sound. The intake system, featuring variable geometry inlet tracts and a re-engineered plenum, harmonizes the high frequencies with the low tones emitted by the exhaust, providing the occupants with a symphony that boasts the distinctive howl of Maranello’s V12 engines. And the driving experience can be enhanced even further as the sound of the V12 can be enjoyed in open-top driving on the Ferrari 12Cilindri Spider (available late this year). Both machines were unveiled at an exclusive event in Miami last Thursday night in conjunction with the F1 festivities there. That illustrious engine is not only a delight for the ears, though. "We started work on this car four years ago when everyone was talking about electrification and nothing else," said chief marketing and commercial officer Enrico Galliera, as reported by Car and Driver. Although Ferrari will launch a completely electrified vehicle next year, he explained, "the 12Cilindri is the exact opposite—it doesn't even feature a hybrid system. Instead, the product planners' main source of inspiration was the rich heritage, outstanding performance, and amazing presence of the Ferrari GTs from the '60s and '70s, which defined the DNA of our brand. Think of the 12Cilindri as a state-of-the-art muscle car with style and manners." The 12Cilindri is the essence of tradition immersed in a new stylistic code, elegance and... “butterflies in the stomach at every shift!”, as Chief Product Development Officer Gianmaria Fulgenzi says. Editor-in-Chief's Note: I'm sure there are those out there who would suggest that designing a Ferrari is "easy," but that couldn't be further from the High-Octane Truth. Though it's clearly a joy to have the privilege of designing for Ferrari, the legacy of the brand weighs heavily on everything they do. And to deliver this kind of a passionate masterpiece for the brand is a grand-slam home run and a fitting tribute - without being the dreaded "retro" - to all of the front-engine, two-seat, 12-cylinder Ferraris that came before it. And one more thing. The word passion is appropriate here because it applies to everything Ferrari does. Other manufacturers may use that word, but no one brings it to fruition like Ferrari. In case you're interested, the 12Cilindri will be priced in the neighborhood of $400,000. You can add the word desire here too, as if only... -PMD Watch the video reveal here.

 

Quite frankly I do not understand all the negative comments about the 12 Cilindri.
I plaud Manzoni for having had the courage to renege his past designs which were too complicated (particularly the in the rear) and often showed little homogeneity of style between the front and the rear..
The simpler smooth lines most like will make this car design fashionable for a long time.
All the black parts of the car have the effect of making the car looking much leaner, that is, avoiding, at least optically, the bulkiness of the rear of the F12 and the 812.
Said all that, I found the coupe more innovative than the spider which is too reminiscent of the 812 GTS which I have, but do not love...

 

I hear a lot of positive and negative comments. Which seems quite reasonable to me.

The design works for a lot of people, and that's great! And it will grow on more of us. But I don't think it should surprise anyone if it's never universally loved. This is one of the more devisive designs from Ferrari in recent history, particularly in the details.

 

Regarding the car's width, the 2176mm quoted is 100% the mirror tip to mirror tip width, not the body width, which is as yet undisclosed. Expect the body width to be similar to the 812 given that the track widths (1686mm front. 1645mm rear, as per the 'technical details' bit of the 12C section of the website) are similar to the 812.

 

i have been saying this for years. as a driver you rarely hear the exhaust sounds unless windows are down or in a spider but we were all spectators once and that exhaust note is what drew us to the cars!

drivers hear the engine noise which is a higher pitched melody of 12 cylinders humming in tune. i am attaching a video of the noise since this guy rolls up the windows and goes on the autobahn!

exhaust is for the crowd but the engine note is for the driver!

 

I hated it when I first saw it. Currently the main question on my mind is ‘how do you top this?’ Where do you go from here? It is that good. This is typical Ferrari. They are so far ahead of the curve it takes time to catch up. This is a STUNNING design.

 

Sure...but don't you like to roll the windows down and enjoy the exhaust noise too?

 

apparently you'll be hearing a lot less with the 12 cilindri

to be fair i have valves pinned open on my F12 stock exhaust and i can barely hear it with windows down unless i'm in a tunnel or under a bridge

 

My Lusso sounds great (and different) windows up or down. I definitely get a lot of exhaust note with the windows down, particularly as the revs build. And it's glorious.

I need more Ferrari V12 in my life.

 

@NGooding I urge you to get the 12C

 

Anybody put a deposit yet?

I placed my name on the “interest list”. Dealers said allocations will be hard. Dealer did not want to take my deposit yet.

 

My SA on the day following the reveal was on the phone ALL DAY taking orders. He's usually very quick to text me back right away but this time it was a good 7 hours. Many many folks out there loving this car.

 

My FF gave me chills but my Lusso only during cold start did. 812 GTS is awesome for me with top down and that little window in the back when top is up... I love the way gts sounds.

 

I left a deposit on Friday for coupe. No word on allocation yet but I was told I’d get a first wave car as I just bought the GTS new 8 months ago. I’m in no rush though