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$139 new aftermarket bypass valve

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  1. 0.0.1.99

    0.0.1.99 Formula Junior

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    #1 0.0.1.99, Feb 28, 2014
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    When I acquired my 355GTS, it was immediately obvious that my bypass valve was not opening at high RPMs. I soon discovered that the mounting bolts needed to be slightly loosened (wuz stuck) and this is when my fight with the bypass valve rattle began.

    I tested the vacuum, adjusted the preload and finally had it neutered (de-balled) to no avail. Since the bypass valve was still vibrating a tad, it made it sound like aluminum cans in a bag (808). At this point, I knew it needed to be replaced.

    Now the $1100 Capristo replacement valve is beautiful but IMO overpriced for the function. And let's face it, why throw good money at bad by staying aftermarket?

    So I had been peeping this possible alternative for several weeks and decided to proceed (standard disclaimer, I don't know this dude). If you're still reading, make sure you get the normally CLOSED version cause dude also sells the normally open version (which may also be attractive if you are in the constant bypass no-CELS camp).

    Stainless Steel Exhaust Control Valve Set Vacuum Actuator 2 1 2" 63mm Pipe | eBay

    Some plagiarized details:
    Fits with 2 1/2"/ 63mm approx. OD pipe
    The pressure range: 2 psi - 5.5 psi
    The valve is closed at free condition
    Material: Stainless steel for all components
    Rod end bearing linked between actuator and gate lever
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  2. 0.0.1.99

    0.0.1.99 Formula Junior

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    Now I knew from my measurements that this aftermarket valve was the correct circumference but was not wide enough alone to fully connect my factory Y-Pipe to my Tubi exhaust (rereading that sounds a bit naughty). Also for my setup, I had to contend with a male/female configuration as the Tubi provides an inner male sleeve that the rear side of the valve slips onto, however the corresponding inner sleeve on the front side of the valve is actually built into the factory bypass. That certainly sounds confusing but if you peep a factory valve outside the car, you should get my meaning.

    So I purchased the adapter below and used my Dremel to cut the 2 1/2" side down to a 15-17mm ring to rule them all. I then banged it into the front side of the aftermarket bypass valve with my rubber mallet and prepared for install.

    2-1/2 Inch Outside Diameter X 2-1/4 Inch Inside Diameter
    ROL Gaskets 548551 - Exhaust Reducing Adapter | O'Reilly Auto Parts
     
  3. 0.0.1.99

    0.0.1.99 Formula Junior

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    #4 0.0.1.99, Feb 28, 2014
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    Once my wife arrived home that afternoon on her broom, I then used it to rock the Tubi back just enough to slide the aftermarket valve into place, tightened her down and buttoned her back up. I then replaced the vacuum line since the nipple was a different size (and aren't they all fellas?). Fired her up, let her idle and for the first time in our relationship, there was no buzzing (from the car either).

    At $139, I felt like I had stuck it to the man. Not sure which man but someman.
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  5. 0.0.1.99

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  6. bosshog8

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    Very nice!
     
  7. 0.0.1.99

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  8. 0.0.1.99

    0.0.1.99 Formula Junior

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    So in closing, I would like to add:

    1. Thanks to all those that have contributed before me, without FCHAT I would not have taken the plunge
    2. If you are not Subscribed, do it.
    3. Eat your broccoli.

    Thanks for reading,
    Ken
     
  9. bobzdar

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    Please post a link to this in the DIY sticky thread, this is great!
     
  10. gothspeed

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    Looks pretty dang good :)!! ...... but just to be certain, make sure the Vacuum provided by the 355 system is enough to open the valve completely ...... I have had quite a bit of experience with 'aftermarket' actuators ..... and found that many of their internal springs were too stiff, for the vacuum provided the 355 system.
     
  11. 0.0.1.99

    0.0.1.99 Formula Junior

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    Honestly, I was hoping some of the engineers here would scrutinize the specs and highlight any concerns. I'm not certain how to tell if it opens completely but of course it sounds great under the overpasses.

    Can you recommend a simple test to determine if it is opening fully?
     
  12. 0.0.1.99

    0.0.1.99 Formula Junior

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    Done.
     
  13. gothspeed

    gothspeed F1 World Champ

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    Well the nice F1 sound ..... is a good sign :)!

    One way to verify full actuator travel ..... is to have someone who knows what full travel 'looks' like, have them watch the valve, while someone else is revving the engine, to an RPM high enough to trigger the valve solenoid .......... use a flash light and watch it closely ....... if you have 'full travel' ...... then congrats, you are good to go :)!!!
     
  14. 0.0.1.99

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    I thought that the valve only opened when the vehicle was in a gear. If that is not the case, then it will be easy to verify.

    I may even try to get a capture of my wireless obd scanner and IOS Dashcommand app which should show at what precise RPM causes the valve to open.

    That would be geek-tastic.
     
  15. gothspeed

    gothspeed F1 World Champ

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    Yeah, the bypass will open when sitting and not in gear ....... it just needs to rev to a high enough RPM ..... I usually get it to open by revving it a few times past 7k ........ and as you may already guess ..... one should not hold the throttle at those higher RPMs for longer than needed to get the valve to open ..... :)
     
  16. 0.0.1.99

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    Thanks for the clarification. I will test it over the weekend and give an update afterward.
     
  17. hjp

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    I believe the ECU gives a yes or no instruction to the valve at the vacuum tank behind the right rear wheel, opening the way for vacuum to reach the valve. After 2800 RPM it gives a go signal but the valve will still not open unless there is enough vacuum. From this point on, its all about enough vacuum and nothing else. Fully blip the throttle enough to raise the vacuum and you will hear the exhaust sharply change pitch which means the valve is opening. Like gothspeed says, have someone watch to see if there's enough vacuum to open it all the way. Even if it doesn't though, its a bypass. It won't hurt anything. You just won't get the full effect.
     
  18. 0.0.1.99

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    OK so sustained (3-4 seconds) revs all the way to 8000+ did not result in opening of the valve while the vehicle was in neutral. This was the same condition as the factory valve. Although I'm fairly confident in the vacuum line to the valve I think that is still the next thing to test.

    I am looking for a vacuum tester with the following features:
    1. vacuum testing to lower psi numbers (ie a gauge with 0-20 psi better than 0-100) since I will be looking for 2~5.5 psi per the aftermarket valve specs above.
    2. would be nice to have a reset needle that identifies the highest reading achieved during the test

    If anyone can point me toward an appropriate tester, I would appreciate it.
     
  19. SoCal1

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    I cant remember what vacuum the stock opens at but its not much. You may have aleak also somewhere
     
  20. F355steve

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    The car has to be in gear, 80% throttle and above 2800rpm in 1,3,4,5,6 and above 4000rpm in 2nd for the ECU to allow vacuum to hit the bypass valve.

    I have never heard of someone activating the bypass valve while just revving the engine.

    Also, great job!!!
     
  21. gothspeed

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    +1 ..... a good possibility. Because nothing seems to happening with either valve. Might be a good idea to check the OEM valve separately. Or attach them both to a hand vacuum pump and make sure the new valve opens at the same vacuum level as the OEM valve.

    The Bypass Valve can be made to open in Neutral gear, by higher RPM throttle blips or revs, I have seen it many times.

    One way to check the 355 vacuum system level/function, would be to use a diagnostic vacuum gauge with a 'T' at the bypass valve. This will let you see if the 355 vacuum system is functional and if vacuum is being applied to the bypass actuator itself. If you are getting vacuum at that 'T' point via the gauge, then you should be able to see the actuator respond to it and open fully.
     
  22. SoCal1

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    100% verified. Mine opens when I blip the throttle 2-3 times above 4500 and stays open a couple seconds. Like I said I had issues with mine when I got it and found some vacuum lines were miss routed I ASSume from an earlier engine out. When I had a T on them and gauge I remember minimal vacuum to open it around the 3-5 psi range.

    Hope all is well Goth and staying too busy :)
     
  23. Extreme

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    Very Nice! If this valve ends up opening with the factory vacuum.
    Almost makes me want to buy another 355 just so I can install one...

    FYI: I wasn't able to make my bypass valve open by revving the engine unless it was in gear.
     
  24. F355steve

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    So what is with all this business about the car being in gear in the owners manual :)

    I've never tried it myself but that is interesting that it will happen in neutral.
     
  25. SoCal1

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    To be dead honest Steve I never read the manual, I have one somewhere.
    When I got the car mine was not opening, I merely found what I thought was sufficient vacuum using a gauge and tapped into that for the exhaust. When I start my car in the morning if I blip the throttle it will open

    :)
     

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