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Discussion in '348/355' started by TimsBlack16M, Dec 7, 2005.

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  1. Dom

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    You know you have a ferrari when:

    You are relieved that a new part only costs $3000...
     
  2. RossoCorsaItaly

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    The price is correct and the pump for the Maserati's are actually $18k msrp.

    I have an 02 Maserati Spyder that I'm selling to get an F355. My original plan was to keep the car and if the pump happened to go out, send it out and have someone I could trust, reproduce it and test it on my car until we got something that worked. At that point planned on selling it to the public for $900 or so depending on production costs to recouperate my losses in getting it custom made. You might look into something similair. If you don't know people capable of doing this, I can try to help you get in touch with someone.

    And if the pump is made by Denso it should not be $16k. That's just plain F'ed.

    Regards,
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  3. Jack(LA)

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    When you see the Denso pump, it looks like a $300 part and that's being generous. :)
     
  4. Willis360

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    Put simply, it powers the actuator that shift the gears. In the F430, it's also part of the E-Diff system.
     
  5. Jack(LA)

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    It pressurizes the hydraulic system (which works at some extremely high pressures -- many thousands of pounds, I believe) which allows the clutch and shifting to be performed by the actuators. The pump is not on constantly -- it cycles on and off to keep the pressure at the required level. It makes that whirring noise you hear when you first open the driver's door. ;)

    EDIT: Willis, I apologize for being redundant -- didn't see your post in time.
     
  6. Willis360

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    No need to apologize. You explained it quite well.
     
  7. Rifledriver

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    I have just been through it with both models and the price is correct for the 355. The 360 unit is about 1/4th the price. FWIW I fixed the 355 pump. Not trying to repair it is like replacing an entire motor that has a broken part in my opinion.

    Some of the failure modes are repairable if the diagnostician has a clue about how the system works.
     
  8. Rifledriver

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    The pump cycles between about 500-900 lbs. The unit has a built in accumulator to store fluid under pressure.
     
  9. Speed Racerette

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    I had the F1 pump replaced on my 360 about 6 months ago by the dealer...the whole thing including labor was less than $2k including the towing charge to the dealer.

    BTW, I think I set a record (at least my own) for a part replacement last week - $21.44 for the relay switch that cycles the F1 pump. Happy me!
     
  10. lrattner

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    Jack,

    Why does opening the driver's door start the pump's operation? (forgive me for being uninformed)
     
  11. LetsJet

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    I beleive he means "when the key is placed in the first position".
     
  12. Willis360

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    Nope, when you open the door, the F1 pump will be primed. All 360 F1 owners should know this. Even a brand new owner should have noticed the whine when he/she open the door for the first time.
     
  13. Speed Racerette

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    Actually, Jack is correct. The pump cycles when the driver's door is open (at least on a 360).
     
  14. Speed Racerette

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    Dang Willis. Beat me again. :)

    What's that odometer up to now? I think I am still trying to catch up.
     
  15. Willis360

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    500 short of 37,000
     
  16. 134282

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    Awesome...! Congratulations...!
     
  17. Rifledriver

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    On the 355 the pump would not run until the key was on and the trans will not shift until hyd pressure was up. If the car was parked in gear that meant you would have to wait about 30 sec or so before you could put car in N to start.

    The 360 has a switch on the door latch to start the pump so that by the time you are seated and have your belt on the car is ready to start.
     
  18. LetsJet

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    Are we not talking about a 355?
     
  19. Modenafan

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    Tim, sorry to hear about the part but glad you found a less expensive replacement. Is that why we haven't seen you in the canyons lately?
     
  20. Rifledriver

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    Parts prices are changing fast and furious. I did not buy a pump but was quoted a little under 4k a week ago.

    Another reason I like the 360 over the 355. Many parts are a much friendlier price.
     
  21. LetsJet

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    Brian will the 360 pump work on the 355?
     
  22. Rifledriver

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    Its not a bolt in replacement. I suspect at some point we will be investigating either adapting them or using them for repair parts.

    The 355 pump assys. I have been involved with so far were repairable so for me it has not become an issue.

    If failure of the 355 component becomes a trend I am considering offering a repair service.
     
  23. LetsJet

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    What are the chances that someone at Ferrari hit the wrong key and it should really be $1600?

    What do you think? Decimal point error..................
     
  24. bpu699

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    Think out side of the box. You know someone will say this, so it might as well be me:

    Can you just take out the F1 and put a chevy 6 speed in it? ;)
     
  25. Rifledriver

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    The exact same decimal point error that all Ferrari parts have.

    The actuator at the other end of the sytem is on the order of 7k or so IIRC.


    Just for perspective
    Distributor caps, some models $500 x 2
    Plug wires 512 TR about 3k
    Plug wires 355 about 200-250 each wire.

    The reason I keep saying about is the prices are changing so fast on some things only the parts guys can keep up.
     

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