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  1. GTSguy

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  2. thepinkumbrella

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    Where is this car for sale?
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  3. Boudewijn

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    0036M with 2003 body recreation.
     
  4. GTSguy

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    The link is under 'Cars For Sale' at Ferrari Life (Google it) - the lsiting is blocked here...

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  5. Napolis

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    Should be a coupe no? What about engine is it back to 166 with proper #'s?

    Best

    No Sale at Coys in 06
     
  6. BarnFound330

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    Hard to imagine that a real MM car would have one carb!
     
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  8. thepinkumbrella

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    0036M

    Initially Touring bodied Barchetta
    First owner Inico Bernabei, Rome.
    Finished 2nd 1950 Targa Floria
    DNF 1950 Mille Miglia
    1952 rebodied as a Vignale coupe
    At some point was fitted with a 250 GT engine and transmission
     
  9. thepinkumbrella

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    $1.71 million
     
  10. El Wayne

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  11. PSk

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    Is the current engine an inside plug 250 like the PF Coupes (early ones) had ... it looks too modern to be a 166 engine ???

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  12. thepinkumbrella

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    #12 thepinkumbrella, Jun 28, 2007
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    Engine was restored in 1998.

    Attached is a picture of a cutaway by Giovanni Cavara showing the single carburetor arrangement
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  13. PSk

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  14. jjmcd

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    Marcel's comments from another string:

    See also many photos on pages 64/65 of my book "Ferrari by Vignale". 0036 M was later (after Cupellini) owned by Paolo Dabbeni in Italy. Today it belongs to Damiano Amoruso in southern Italy (Bari region). He had it rebodied back into original Touring Barchetta configuration by Dino Cognolato of Vicenza. Amoruso also still has the Vignale Coupé body. Both are for sale, the car 0036 M with the new Touring Barchetta body and the Vignale Coupé formerly on 0036 M. The rebodied Barchetta 0036 M was at the Coys auction in Monaco last Saturday 20th May 2006 but didn't sell. Highest bid was Euro € 1.3 M. I've personally inspected the car in all details.
    Marcel Massini

    See: http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=89883&page=54

    Here is the listing from the 2006 Coys Monaco auction. The car-specific description starts about half way down:

    http://www.motorbase.com/auctionlot/by-id/1222203955/

    Here is what appears to be a picture of it when it had the Vignale coupe body:

    http://www.pirro.com/german/pirro/SN/0036M/166.MM.0036M.OldGP.001.htm


    Barchetta.com has the history as follows:

    Date Result Event Driver # Reference

    50/mar/08 - Inico Bernabei, Roma, I

    50/apr/02 2nd OA

    1st IC X. Giro di Sicilia Inico Bernabei/
    Tullio Pacini #442 FAlb2 p18

    Auto Italiana, 50/apr/15, p.36 -39
    Ferrari Automobili 1947-1953, pg 140-141

    50/apr/23 dnf Mille Miglia Inico Bernabei/
    Tullio Pacini #715 LFMM p146

    Red Arrows p51, 206

    50/may - front suspension revised at ferrari factory

    50/sept/20 dnf Circuito di Senigallia Inico Bernabei/ Tullio Pacini

    53 - rebodied as Vignale Berlinetta by Vignale FbV p41, 64-65

    53/ apr - engine and suspension rebuild at factory

    53/ jun- exhausts and shocks refurbished at factory

    54 - complete engine rebuild at factory

    57- engine rebuild at factory

    65 - Otto Zipper, CA, USA

    65 - 250 LWB California Spyder engine and transmission installed

    67/sep/25 - Alan Paoli, Cresent City, CA, USA

    82/aug/31 - John Geils, MA, USA - 617-897-7006

    83/dec - offered for $37,500

    84 - Paolo Dabbeni, I C12/88 p42

    88 Mille Miglia Dabbeni/Dabbeni #126

    88/aug/11-14 Oldtimer GP Nuerburgring Paolo Dabbeni

    89/oct - Damiano Eugenio Amoruso, Milano, I

    98- 166MM engine and transmission restored - 0 km

    03 - restored to original MM Touring barchetta configuration Ferrari Tipo 166 by G. Rogliati, p.149
    Ferrari 166MM Barchetta by C.F. Anderloni, p.66

    04 - offered for € 1.3mio

    04 - displayed at Museo Luigi Bonfanti, Romano d'Ezzelino, I

    http://www.pirro.com/english/All.Ferraris/Detail/0036M.166MM.htm

    http://www.barchetta.cc/ALL.Ferraris/by-serial-number/ferrari-by-serial-number/model-index/model-summary/166-mm-index/166-mm-s-n-0-18.html
     
  15. Christian.Fr

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    looks new, beautiful also. Well, near the 0052M i will prefer the second one, probably because it s original.
     
  16. GTSguy

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    #16 GTSguy, Jun 29, 2007
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    So is the Coupe body included with the barchetta body in the sale? Interesting and reasonable set of options (although I doubt switching these bodies is an easy task). After all is said and done though I prefer the patina! The new barchetta body jsut seems to lack soul.... Although I much prefer the barchetta' sdesign, I'd go for an original coupe over a perfect barchetta.....

    Jon

    (eg. such as Manny's wonderful 0052M)
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  17. Christian.Fr

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    amasing, it s just marvellous today to see a car in this state, it s rare and beautiful at the same time. The 0052M is my sugar baby love.
    Thanks for pics, Do you know where the pics was took?
     
  18. thepinkumbrella

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  19. t walgamuth

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    I am mystified that someone would take a mexico and change it to this.

    Wouldn't a correct mexico be much more valuable?

    Tom W
     
  20. PSk

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    If we are talking about the 166 MM then this car WAS originally a 166 Barchetta and has period Mille Miglia history as such (and other races).

    It has no significant history as the Vignale Berlinetta. It was never a correct Mexico, or even a correct Vignale Berlinetta but a period rebody.
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  21. PSk

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    Technically speaking the coupe body is not original, but a valid and period rebody. I can understand the restoring to original and more interesting state in this case.

    Simply use the car and patina returns ... yep it does, really :)
    Pete
     
  22. t walgamuth

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    Oh, so the barchetta was what it was originally?

    That makes sense then.

    Thanks for the clarification.

    Tom W
     
  23. t walgamuth

    t walgamuth Formula Junior

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    I have never had trouble aquiring patina.

    Tom W
     
  24. PSk

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    I can see the complication though with this car though as a 1953 body has been removed which sat on that chassis for over 50 years ... now that does seem a shame.

    Hmmm ...
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  25. t walgamuth

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    Yeah, it seems a little arbitrary.

    But I suspect that the vignale body might have been in rough shape and for about the same cost as repairing it the barchetta was re-created.

    Still I probably would not have done it.

    Tom W
     

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