Anybody know about this car? Price seems nuts. No info either. Seems like a repro... http://www.****************/classified/view.php?id=423 Jon Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Should be a coupe no? What about engine is it back to 166 with proper #'s? Best No Sale at Coys in 06
0036M Initially Touring bodied Barchetta First owner Inico Bernabei, Rome. Finished 2nd 1950 Targa Floria DNF 1950 Mille Miglia 1952 rebodied as a Vignale coupe At some point was fitted with a 250 GT engine and transmission
Here it is with Vignale coupe body (red car in front): http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showpost.php?p=135806828&postcount=1037 http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showpost.php?p=135808892&postcount=1051 And in Monaco last year with replica Touring-style barchetta body: http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showpost.php?p=135812872&postcount=1057
Is the current engine an inside plug 250 like the PF Coupes (early ones) had ... it looks too modern to be a 166 engine ??? Pete
Engine was restored in 1998. Attached is a picture of a cutaway by Giovanni Cavara showing the single carburetor arrangement Image Unavailable, Please Login
Shouldn't a 166's engine look more like Napolis' early Ferrari?, ie: http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showpost.php?p=135516142&postcount=1 Those cam covers look very modern, but based on your drawing they are right ... surprised. Pete
Marcel's comments from another string: See also many photos on pages 64/65 of my book "Ferrari by Vignale". 0036 M was later (after Cupellini) owned by Paolo Dabbeni in Italy. Today it belongs to Damiano Amoruso in southern Italy (Bari region). He had it rebodied back into original Touring Barchetta configuration by Dino Cognolato of Vicenza. Amoruso also still has the Vignale Coupé body. Both are for sale, the car 0036 M with the new Touring Barchetta body and the Vignale Coupé formerly on 0036 M. The rebodied Barchetta 0036 M was at the Coys auction in Monaco last Saturday 20th May 2006 but didn't sell. Highest bid was Euro € 1.3 M. I've personally inspected the car in all details. Marcel Massini See: http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=89883&page=54 Here is the listing from the 2006 Coys Monaco auction. The car-specific description starts about half way down: http://www.motorbase.com/auctionlot/by-id/1222203955/ Here is what appears to be a picture of it when it had the Vignale coupe body: http://www.pirro.com/german/pirro/SN/0036M/166.MM.0036M.OldGP.001.htm Barchetta.com has the history as follows: Date Result Event Driver # Reference 50/mar/08 - Inico Bernabei, Roma, I 50/apr/02 2nd OA 1st IC X. Giro di Sicilia Inico Bernabei/ Tullio Pacini #442 FAlb2 p18 Auto Italiana, 50/apr/15, p.36 -39 Ferrari Automobili 1947-1953, pg 140-141 50/apr/23 dnf Mille Miglia Inico Bernabei/ Tullio Pacini #715 LFMM p146 Red Arrows p51, 206 50/may - front suspension revised at ferrari factory 50/sept/20 dnf Circuito di Senigallia Inico Bernabei/ Tullio Pacini 53 - rebodied as Vignale Berlinetta by Vignale FbV p41, 64-65 53/ apr - engine and suspension rebuild at factory 53/ jun- exhausts and shocks refurbished at factory 54 - complete engine rebuild at factory 57- engine rebuild at factory 65 - Otto Zipper, CA, USA 65 - 250 LWB California Spyder engine and transmission installed 67/sep/25 - Alan Paoli, Cresent City, CA, USA 82/aug/31 - John Geils, MA, USA - 617-897-7006 83/dec - offered for $37,500 84 - Paolo Dabbeni, I C12/88 p42 88 Mille Miglia Dabbeni/Dabbeni #126 88/aug/11-14 Oldtimer GP Nuerburgring Paolo Dabbeni 89/oct - Damiano Eugenio Amoruso, Milano, I 98- 166MM engine and transmission restored - 0 km 03 - restored to original MM Touring barchetta configuration Ferrari Tipo 166 by G. Rogliati, p.149 Ferrari 166MM Barchetta by C.F. Anderloni, p.66 04 - offered for € 1.3mio 04 - displayed at Museo Luigi Bonfanti, Romano d'Ezzelino, I http://www.pirro.com/english/All.Ferraris/Detail/0036M.166MM.htm http://www.barchetta.cc/ALL.Ferraris/by-serial-number/ferrari-by-serial-number/model-index/model-summary/166-mm-index/166-mm-s-n-0-18.html
looks new, beautiful also. Well, near the 0052M i will prefer the second one, probably because it s original.
So is the Coupe body included with the barchetta body in the sale? Interesting and reasonable set of options (although I doubt switching these bodies is an easy task). After all is said and done though I prefer the patina! The new barchetta body jsut seems to lack soul.... Although I much prefer the barchetta' sdesign, I'd go for an original coupe over a perfect barchetta..... Jon (eg. such as Manny's wonderful 0052M) Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
amasing, it s just marvellous today to see a car in this state, it s rare and beautiful at the same time. The 0052M is my sugar baby love. Thanks for pics, Do you know where the pics was took?
That is at the Palo Alto Concours http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=156199&highlight=palo
I am mystified that someone would take a mexico and change it to this. Wouldn't a correct mexico be much more valuable? Tom W
If we are talking about the 166 MM then this car WAS originally a 166 Barchetta and has period Mille Miglia history as such (and other races). It has no significant history as the Vignale Berlinetta. It was never a correct Mexico, or even a correct Vignale Berlinetta but a period rebody. Pete
Technically speaking the coupe body is not original, but a valid and period rebody. I can understand the restoring to original and more interesting state in this case. Simply use the car and patina returns ... yep it does, really Pete
Oh, so the barchetta was what it was originally? That makes sense then. Thanks for the clarification. Tom W
I can see the complication though with this car though as a 1953 body has been removed which sat on that chassis for over 50 years ... now that does seem a shame. Hmmm ... Pete
Yeah, it seems a little arbitrary. But I suspect that the vignale body might have been in rough shape and for about the same cost as repairing it the barchetta was re-created. Still I probably would not have done it. Tom W