Found this on a different forum.. This is an AD that was taken from craigslist. The Ad (Real Ad) What am I doing wrong? Okay, I'm tired of beating around the bush. I'm a beautiful (spectacularly beautiful) 25 year old girl. I'm articulate and classy. I'm not from New York. I'm looking to get married to a guy who makes at least half a million a year. I know how that sounds, but keep in mind that a million a year is middle class in New York City, so I don't think I'm overreaching at all. Are there any guys who make 500K or more on this board? Any wives? Could you send me some tips? I dated a business man who makes average around 200 - 250. But that's where I seem to hit a roadblock. 250,000 won't get me to central park west. I know a woman in my yoga class who was married to an investment banker and lives in Tribeca, and she's not as pretty as I am, nor is she a great genius. So what is she doing right? How do I get to her level? Here are my questions specifically: - Where do you single rich men hang out? Give me specifics- bars, restaurants, gyms -What are you looking for in a mate? Be honest guys, you won't hurt my feelings -Is there an age range I should be targeting (I'm 25)? - Why are some of the women living lavish lifestyles on the upper east side so plain? I've seen really 'plain jane' boring types who have nothing to offer married to incredibly wealthy guys. I've seen drop dead gorgeous girls in singles bars in the east village. What's the story there? - Jobs I should look out for? Everyone knows - lawyer, investment banker, doctor. How much do those guys really make? And where do they hang out? Where do the hedge fund guys hang out? - How you decide marriage vs. just a girlfriend? I am looking for MARRIAGE ONLY Please hold your insults - I'm putting myself out there in an honest way. Most beautiful women are superficial; at least I'm being up front about it. I wouldn't be searching for these kind of guys if I wasn't able to match them - in looks, culture, sophistication, and keeping a nice home and hearth. it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests PostingID: 432279810 Real Response From Dear Pers-431649184: I read your posting with great interest and have thought meaningfully about your dilemma. I offer the following analysis of your predicament. Firstly, I'm not wasting your time, I qualify as a guy who fits your bill; that is I make more than $500K per year. That said here's how I see it. Your offer, from the prospective of a guy like me, is plain and simple a crappy business deal. Here's why. Cutting through all the B.S., what you suggest is a simple trade: you bring your looks to the party and I bring my money. Fine, simple. But here's the rub, your looks will fade and my money will likely continue into perpetuity...in fact, it is very likely that my income increases but it is an absolute certainty that you won't be getting any more beautiful! So, in economic terms you are a depreciating asset and I am an earning asset. Not only are you a depreciating asset, your depreciation accelerates! Let me explain, you're 25 now and will likely stay pretty hot for the next 5 years, but less so each year. Then the fade begins in earnest. By 35 stick a fork in you! So in Wall Street terms, we would call you a trading position, not a buy and hold...hence the rub...marriage. It doesn't make good business sense to "buy you" (which is what you're asking) so I'd rather lease. In case you think I'm being cruel, I would say the following. If my money were to go away, so would you, so when your beauty fades I need an out. It's as simple as that. So a deal that makes sense is dating, not marriage. Separately, I was taught early in my career about efficient markets. So, I wonder why a girl as "articulate, classy and spectacularly beautiful" as you has been unable to find your sugar daddy. I find it hard to believe that if you are as gorgeous as you say you are that the $500K hasn't found you, if not only for a tryout. By the way, you could always find a way to make your own money and then we wouldn't need to have this difficult conversation. With all that said, I must say you're going about it the right way. Classic "pump and dump." I hope this is helpful, and if you want to enter into some sort of lease, let me know.
Classic analysis. Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free? Great post BTW and funny as hell.
She actually responded to his posting http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/nyc/445962092.html Date: 2007-10-11, 8:23AM EDT Dear Sir, I must confess that I was somewhat taken aback upon reading your email. Indeed, it has taken some time for me to sufficiently recuperate from my surprise. Lest your confidence quickly inflate for little reason (as we know is the predisposition for Wall St. types), allow me to hasten to reassure you that the source of my surprise was neither your candor nor the accuracy of your perception. Indeed, it is your "claimed" success in light of your poor grasp of economics which has me baffled. If the standards required to meet with financial success on Wall St. have sunk so low, perhaps I should indeed "make my own money", except for the fact that the effort/reward ratio is far too high for my liking - especially when so many of your ilk have displayed a far more cogent grasp of market realities than you have. By now you are likely scratching your ever-vanishing hairline in confusion, so allow me to elaborate, dear man. To build some credibility I will tell you a bit more about yourself. Though you did not mention the details of your occupation, it is clear that you are an investment banker and not a trader, as any good trader would understand that human courtships are based upon a semi-efficient open market, and not an investment banking cartel. However, your inability to grasp the realities of the dating market is not surprising, given that you have successfully employed the tools of collusion and market manipulation rather that true acumen in your supposed wealth generation. If your grasp of finance were not a minority partner with your ego, you would realize that the "outflows" associated with my depreciating "assets" are quite certain, and therefore subject to a low discount rate when determining their present value. In addition, though your concept of economics evidentially failed to move past the 1950s, advancement in plastic surgery is not subject to the same limitation. Thus, with some additional capital expenditure, the overall lifetime of "outflows" generated by these assets is greatly increased. Sad that Ashton Kutcher has demonstrated understanding of the female asset class which you, in all of your financial "wisdom", have not. You, on the other hand, are, given the uncertainty of the Wall St. job market, more of an inflation-indexed junk bond with an underwater nested call option. Though you may argue that you are more of an equity investment, my monetary minimums required from you do not change, and if you are unable to pay them, I will liquidate you without the benefit of a chapter 11, just as you would me. Because your outflows are so much more uncertain with respect to mine, I require additional compensation in the form of a underwater nested call option on your future assets. I say underwater because, even taking into account the value of your junk bond coupon payment to me, the value of my "outflow" is in excess of the market price of your equity (which is quite low due to its riskiness associated with your poor grasp of finance and my existing claim upon your junk bond coupon). I must thank you though for raising the question, despite the reputation cost of subjecting your weak logic to such widespread scrutiny. This took either considerable courage or ignorance on your part- and we'll give you the benefit of doubt, just this once. My current boyfriend (a trader who lives in Central Park West, of course) and I thoroughly enjoyed discussing your response and we wish you the best of luck in your unhappy pursuit of that elusive market inefficiency.
She is a clever one. One wonders how someone that intelligent would settle for a measly $500,000 a year given $1,000,000 per year is middle class in New York. At the risk of sounding like misogynist it reminds of this quote (please correct me if I am misquoting): Man: Would have sex with me for $100 Woman: No Man: Would have sex with me for $1000 Woman: No Man: Would have sex with me for $1,000,000 Woman: Yes Man: Now that we have established what you are we can settle on a price:
I think this is regularly attributed to George Bernard Shaw who, as the story goes, was seated next to an attractive woman at a party and asked her "Madam,would you go to bed with me for a thousand pounds?" The woman blushed and rather indignantly shook her head. "For ten thousand pounds?" he asked. "No. I would not." "Then how about fifty thousand pounds?" he continued. The colossal sum gave the woman pause, and after further reflection, she coyly replied: "Perhaps." "And if I were to offer you five pounds?" Shaw asked. "Mr. Shaw!" the woman exclaimed. "What do you take me for!" "We have already established what you are," Shaw calmly replied. "Now we are merely haggling over the price." When I was checking this quote I found the following dialog attributed to him: Having spotted George Bernard Shaw standing alone in a corner during her dinner party, a hostess anxiously approached her distinguished guest. "Are you enjoying yourself, Mr. Shaw?" she inquired. "Certainly," Shaw replied. "There is nothing else here to enjoy."
I'm surprised one or the other didn't work the term "married put" into the conversation. ______ There's a knock at Tony and Maria's door. It's Tony's old pal, Luigi, six-pack in hand. Pretty soon, the boys are having beers talking about Tony's deep, deep flat-broke financial woes and what-not while the ever-stunning Maria's doing her thing in the kitchen with what little is in the cupboard. But, something aside from Maria's cooking is in the air, and they both know it - "What's on your mind, Luigi?" 'Well, uh, I ah-' "Come on, out with it." 'Well -whew- I dunno how I'm gonna tell you this, but...' "But, what?" 'Oh, man - now, remember, I've known you alla my life... and I've seen some things, but... Maria has... she has the greatest breasts in the world!' "Hell, I know that. Thanks for noticing, but, how could you not, eh? hah?! I promise her the moon and stars she give me the tits to die for, eh, hah?!" 'Yeah, I know. *sigh* ... I will give you 100 Euro just to suck on them!' "A hundred Euro!? You bastard, I ought to-" '500!' "... No! Never!" 'A thousand!' "Maria!" So, they're in the bedroom. Luigi's suckin' on the right one... 'MMMmmmmmm, I dunno...' and the left one 'MMMmmmmmm, I dunno...' and the right one 'ah, perfect, mmmmm, I dunno.... ' and the left one, 'mmmm, I dun-' Maria says, "Hey-a, what-a you mean-a I dunno-a, hah? These are the most perfect tits-a, ever-a, eh? 'S-matta wit you - I dunno, eh?" As he wedges between 'em both, 'Mmmmmm - I-a dunno where-a I'm-a gonna get the money-a.'
Man: would you have sex with me for $1,000,000 Woman: yes Man: would you have sex with me for 50 bucks? Woman: no way, what kind of girl do you think I am? Man: we've already determined that, now we're just haggling over price.
These type of threads make me glad that (a) I'm married to a great gal, (b) we had a heck of a lot less money when we started out, and (c) that I no longer live in NYC.
Then you won the lottery with (a). IMO guys should receive more warnings and education about making a poor choice in spouse. If life is like a marathon, having an unsupportive spouse can be like trying to run it in combat boots with a heavy backpack. The most important decisions anyone will make is who their spouse will be, how many kids they will have, and what they will do for a career in that order. Get the first one right and the other two will largely take care of themselves, get the first one wrong and the answer for the other two don't even need answers because regardless you will be miserable.
