1929 Targa Florio Type 35 Cs

most likely 4870 and 4871 ...ran as works cars and not atypically then sold..one to a private party and one thru bugattis paris showroom...

4868 was sold to elisabeth junek as a t35c but was run in t35b form as a privateer. her fifth place finish was legendary but for the demise of her waterpump she might well have won!!

 

hmmmmm...good old 4871....a few bug buddies and i went all over that car at laguna that year..it seems to be quite original but the word is it had a through mechanical rogering by the dutton folks...everything new and exposed was distressed to match original stuff..i will hand it to the englishmen ..they are the patina-ing masters.

i have seen brit 8c alfas that have 50 miles on them, are less than a year old and look 100....well ,the factory numbers are quite another thing....

 

I believe that Dick Ridell's 35C is the ex-Elizabeth Juneck car from the 1928 Targe Florio?

 

Wow, thanks for all the info! I'm not too surprised that #4572 has a bit of a convoluted history. I used to pester Riddell about the T51-ish wheels and radiator; the wheels should have bolt-on rims given the year?

I'm without my late father's library, but the 35C was a 2 liter blown engine vs. the 35B being a 2.3?

Glad to see another fan of "proper" Bugattis on F-Chat ;-)

 

peter..indeed...the best way to tell a 35b from a 35 c is there is a 1/4" [approx..it's all metric ] "compression plate" between the two cylinder blocks and the main upper crankcase..if all else is correct [what are the chances..] the dash mounted magneto should have a neat little spacer on top of the curved mounting block...all to jack up the mag to match the cam drive as the cambox moves up the same distance as the cylinder blocks.

i know there is a bit of funny stuff with dick's car but the t51 wheels are a standard upgrade for vintage racing..unless your car was delivered with "small drum" brakes and detachable rim wheels...then you need all new backing plates and shoes etc to mount the 51 wheels...

 

Very Cool information.

 

re riddells car..conway suggests it's the junick car [4572] but states the engine # , originally 47, is now 50..but that's a bit suspect..as is what most of what conway said..i will find my newest abc book and get the latest skinney...true, for an early car, dick's looks all the part of a 1930 edition..things have a tendency to mutate and not go back to original specs...hell, the juneks constantly had cars at the factory for maintainence and most likely upgrades.

and, if a gp car spent any time in the uk...or with bunny phillips, well..all bets are off....


napolis; i can give thousands of minute bugatti gp mechanical trivia..some not so trivial....attempting to set a ring and pinion it occurred to me you couldn't measure the gear lash without the whole assembly finished..not to mention the hub-brakedrum- backing plate relationship was based on the ring gear carrier position [tapered 3/4 floating axles]..after a call to jim stranberg at high mountain classics [an old friend that introduced me to henry manney and donezetti] i said "hey jim, do i really have to take this whole thing apart??" he took a deep breath and said "better get used to it, it normally takes 6 to 8 assembly/dissasemblys to get it right...and thats if you know what you are doing!..good luck!"

 

They are really special.

Best

 

Yes to all you've said. Dick is a friend (well, a friend of my late father's; he and I caught up at Coronado last year), so I won't say much more than to second your comment as to Bunny Phillips...the David Piper of Bugatti's ;-)

 

10 Divo with #4923 (1974-NV) ... but the car is sold as #4928 (today in Germany)

36 Minoia with #4928 (1975-NV) ... but the car is also sold as # 4928 (today in the Schlumpf Museum France)