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1967 Alfa Romeo Stradale project

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  1. 308 milano

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    Hey Everyone,
    Stumbled across this Alfa Romeo on EBay in the "project cars" section. I know absolutely nothing about these but what great body lines! I've tried to copy and paste a link with my iPhone 5 without success. Someone please if you will post a link as I think it will be of interest. It's listed on page 3 of the classic site under project cars ( ebay) thanks!
     
  2. 308 milano

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    Thank you Cloverleaf!
    Took four tries just to post this "thank you" I don't know what the deal is with this iPhone 5 and F-chat but its getting REALLY old, tried google chrome as suggested and hasn't helped. Never a problem with the 4. Thanks again.
     
  3. Kevin Rev'n

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  4. 308 milano

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    What a beautiful machine! Do I dare ask what $$ it would take to restore? Or it's value when restored?.. Not that it will be in my garage anytime soon. Ha!
     
  5. 308 milano

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    Quick google search says that there were only 18 of these ever produced and was the most expensive road car you could purchase in 1967, they call it the Bugatti Veyron of Its time. Wow, I can't believe this is on ebay. I know absolutely nothing about Alfa's but isn't this something a true auto enthusiast would pull a shoulder muscle trying to get their wallet out before the next guy? Any estimates on what this particular vehicle will sell for as it sits?
     
  6. Kevin Rev'n

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    I came across this.
    Greppi tz 1,s - Alfa Romeo Bulletin Board & Forums

    To me the front end looks odd. Imagine if you were to try and apply trim around that left most light in the first pic I posted. The trim is not going to follow the shape of the finished one that I offered as a compare. If it was a rebuilt from a crash that might explain it. Whomever spent all the time grinding away any paint surely has lots of pictures of the "before" car too I would imagine.
     
  7. TheMayor

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    Well worth bringing it back at almost any cost if it were REAL. One of the best looking cars of the 60's. Several have appeared at Pebble over the years.

    But, there appears to be some problems in the sheet metal. I'm not sure if every car looked exactly the same. For sure, the two noses are different between the photos. The headlamps aren't even close.

    Seems to be a replica, not an original car. I saw another replica at SEMA last year out front. IMO, replica's are never worth the money you need to invest in them. They don't have much resale value.

    The Montreal engine is really 2 alfa four bangers put together in V8 format. So, it's not that tough to get parts for and put back if the block and crank is there.
     
  8. Napolis

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    Of course it's not real. It's a replica project. The cost to finish it will be more than it will be worth when done.

    Real ones are worth 6MMUSD+
     
  9. James_Woods

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    Which may well be why it was never finished in the first place...
     
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    Exacto.
     
  11. Skidkid

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    All of that and it will never look quite right. Just for starters the mouth has an under bite, headlights are all wrong, the rear quarter's don't appear to bulge enough, the vent on the hood is wrong, the roof & windscreen is bubble like: too narrow at the top, sides not sloped enough, front too rounded. Need I go on? It would look pretty good but not a good replica.

    I can understand a tribute car with a more modern suspension, lots of power, etc. but what's the point of making a bad replica? Can't believe it is already at $20K.
     
  12. James_Woods

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    You can take the project out of the trailer park, but you can never take the trailer park out of the project.

    Looking at the surroundings in that picture - I am simply amazed that it ever got that far.
     
  13. ronzalfa

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    Perhaps some of the value is reflective of the fact that Greppi was a known fabricator of replica bodies?
     
  14. f308jack

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    You guys are harsh!

    I find it difficult to judge the accuracy of the body from these photos.

    The headlights appear to have been modelled after the first car: all other Stradales had single heaflights. All of them were different in details, like side vents, for instance.

    The montreal engine is a great basis, but would need to be re-engineered to flat crank configuration, so you're looking at a trick crank and 4 cams.

    The documentation for this auction is very poor, probably for a reason. Surely if you embark on a project like this you photo-document it properly.

    Best,

    Jack.
     
  15. PSk

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    Jack,

    It's rubbish. Shockingly poor replica effort.
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    Pete,

    Apparently, the market doesn't agree with you.

    Sold for nearly $28K USD.

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    What do you think though? Plus what does a Montreal engine go for? I still reckon the previous owner lost money ...

    Anyway without starting again you could not make that thing look like a Stradale.
    Pete
     
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    Ever considered one?
     
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    Just because the market will pay for something doesn't mean that it is a good facsimile of the original. People buy Fiero based Ferrari replicas but that doesn't make them look like a Ferrari.
     
  20. Kevin Rev'n

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    #21 Kevin Rev'n, Jun 27, 2013
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    I am in awe of this number. The shop is clearly talented with aluminum. You can see other works in the background of the pictures. I am curious as to the authenticity of the claimed original maker too. Was it common for his cars to miss details like the recessed tail lights? I can find no other pictures of this car with surface mounted lenses.
    How about the shock mounts? Shouldn't they be mounted differently like the ones in the finished photos? How about the way the bonnets mate to the main body when closed? Do they rest on a continuous offset flange or do they merely rest on a few welded (or bolted) tabs here and there? These seem like those kinds of details that will be a show stopper in trying to get big bucks down the road but might...I say might be enough for a dedicated team to bring together; in say 5-10 thousand hours from now! It will have to be a serious labor of love to put forth the effort. I agree that the lines of the car could make someone do crazy things to try and get a nice copy in the garage but I lack this kind of drive. Maybe I am just not worthy of such pleasures?
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    Please tell me something I don't already understand. ;)
     
  22. 3500 GT

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    I bid on this car. To me it seems like a good place to start. I build cars for a living, so correcting or fabricating what the car may need is part of the process.

    It is likely the new owners have similar skills and see what it the car could be.

    I see what it is, what's not, and see what it is; a fun project. It's not an ALFA and never will be, but I honestly don't care. It is what it is. Maybe a turd, maybe a fun build.

    Ciao and best!

    ~Trev
     
  23. Kevin Rev'n

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    I would have loved to follow your progress on this car. Was my hours estimate in the "ballpark" ?
     
  24. PSk

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    A Fiero replica is closer to a Ferrari than this car is to a Stradale. Everything is wrong, everything! Windscreen, grill, lights(all), chassis. Even the alloy body is not well made with the left headlight area not the same as the right.

    Sure it would be a fun car to play with, but its NOT a good Stradale replica without so much work you might as well have started from scratch.
    Pete
     

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