1967 Ferrari 275 GTB/4 by Scaglietti at RM Sotheby's

ggjjr · Jun 6, 2024

TTR said: ↑

Of course it isn't "blackmail".
If Ferrari (or anyone else) is hosting an event, they can set whatever entry, i.e. invitation, requirements they want.
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Rory J · Jun 6, 2024

miurasv said: ↑

This has been discussed a number of times over the years about the Classiche Certification needing to be renewed. Certification is only good until it leaves the authorising Classiche Centre as people even borrow parts just to get the car certified. We've even had FChatters asking to borrow parts on here for the purposes of a Certification. Of course there are genuine people who get their cars Classiche Certified too, so it's a case of always buy the seller.
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Yes, absolutely. I believe Ferrari's official stance is that the car was certified for "a moment in time," essentially. The certification may still valid for another year or two, but there are no guarantees that the car would conform again once it leaves Ferrari.

TTR · Jun 6, 2024

ggjjr said: ↑

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DennisForza · Jun 6, 2024

rob lay said: ↑

As everyone knows I'm outspoken about everything, I have been critical almost monthly about Ferrari and even dealers. However, I'm a fan of the red book even for "5-digit cars". I think it is worth it, a beautiful book that you can keep with the car for shows and when you sell. It got me free $3k+ tickets into Casa Ferrari, which almost pays for the red book itself. If even I have enjoyed it for the 328 and 355, I think those with 6 and 7+ digit cars certainly will get value out of it. My only critique would be having to pay the dealer to swap my Tubi and original exhaust then back to Tubi when I owned the original and I had it sitting next to the car. Also how I paid full price and within just a year our dealer was doing red books for 355's thousands less.
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A good faith move by Ferrari would be to certify cars with some aftermarket accessories such as exhaust or wheels and documenting those particular and reversible details when the originals are presented without nickel and diming the client to change them out.
If the car is sold, the buyer can see what should be there in the nice red covered book.

rob lay · Jun 6, 2024

DennisForza said: ↑

A good faith move by Ferrari would be to certify cars with some aftermarket accessories such as exhaust or wheels and documenting those particular and reversible details when the originals are presented without nickel and diming the client to change them out.
If the car is sold, the buyer can see what should be there in the nice red covered book.
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I agree, I got the Classiche on my 355 before the heavy discounts, but the exhaust swaps were 25% of my costs and 75% of my headache.

Rory J · Jun 7, 2024

I'm surprised Ferrari doesn't claim ownership of the Red Books and force forfeiture when certification renewals aren't completed in a timely manner. Whoops, I shouldn't give them any ideas.

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