1967 Le Mans P4s

Gary.
You wouldn't by any chance happen to be researching this on behalf of Mark Collins, would you ? Mark has just completed building a Ferrari P4 replica, and is trying to find out more about this decal, so he can put an accurate copy on his car. He's been posting to the 'Poor Mans P4 Replica Project' thread,

See: http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7514&page=10&pp=20

I've tried doing some similar research for him, without much success, I'm sorry to say. Something I have discovered though, is that the reason these decals were placed in a rather haphazard fashion on the P4's, is that these decals appear to have been slapped on just before the start of the race. Prior to that, all the factory P4's appeared on the startline carrying 'Carello' and 'Lighting by Sylvania' decals in the same positons. In fact, in some race photos, you can see where the road dust stuck to the sticky residue left behind by the old stickers .....

 

It isn't some way for the Le Mans officials to confirm the cars they scrutineered actually raced ... or something else like that? Hence the removal after the race.

On a lot of long distance races the stick things on to the cars to determine if they have had their required fuel stops, etc.

Pete

 

No, it wasn't that, Pete. At Le Mans in '67 the scutineers insisted on those coloured discs (as in the yellow ones on the P4's doors) to assist the fire marshals in itentifying different types of bodywork material.
This is definately some sort of trade logo - and found only on certain cars. See following bit of research from a Belgian friend:

"Am spreading the problem - as in : I asked Steve DeVaux proof for his leaping panther or jaguar or whatever it is. And if he has any clue on what it represents.
Difficult to find a common factor between a Mustang Shelby from Belgium, Alpines from France, Ferraris from Italy and Filipinetti Fords - except that it must be somehow European related ... did not find it on the American Fords, or Chaparral,"

Oh and by the way, the NART 412P (race #25) wasn't carrying it either .....

 

Isn't that the logo for Marchal Fog Lights - like their covers?

 

I will find out who the sticker is meant to represent. Its likely to be a supplier, the cat being Sev Marchal, so I am guessing but the dog might be oil, like Agip, or it may be spark plugs.

I went through this excersise with my car and ended up putting a bat in the middle, as it happens to be my family crest, I pinched that bat from Bacardi.
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Is that sticker above from a model of a P4. Because I think its meant to be a deers head. ???

 

Max.
Yes, I think that one is possibly from the Fujimi 1:24 P4. Since Mark (Collins) first asked me about this decal a couple of weeks ago, I've been examining various model manufacturers interpretations of it - from 1:43 to 1:10, and all of them show it as a complete animal - not just the head. Some, as in the Fujimi one above, show it with a vertical line above and below the animal.
But then I took another look at a very much 'blown-up' photo of this decal, on the front wing of one of the Alpines in the pits at Le Mans in '67, sent me by Wim de Pooter - and you know what I think ? You may just have hit the nail on the 'head' - It might just be a Stag or a Deer, (leaping to the left).
I'd post the photo, except that obviously, I'd have to reduce it (from the current 1.25MB) to a point where any clarity would be lost.
Gary - has Wim sent it to you ? If not, drop me an email (P4Skett@aol.com) and I'll gladly forward it.

 

Hi you guys!
This is very interresting.
I have done a crop...to see it more clearly...(I hope).
My theory was that it was Enzos dog...(in the middle of the checkered flag)..
but...obviously not so.. as the Checkered is found on other makes.
Well...this is my contribution to you.
Best: Staffan.

 

Thanks for posting that, Staffan. Your cropping is a lot better than my effort would have been, and you got the resolution about as good as it could be.

Gary. This is taken from that 1.25MB scan (of a magazine page) that Wim de Pooter had sent me previously ....

 

Anybody...?

 

It could be the deere from Ferodo.

 

Try to make it bigger.

 

Look at Mauro...there´s a man with commitment.
Amazing.
Staffan.

 

Well done Tom. Between us we have sussed it out ! In one of my earlier posts in this thread, I wrote:

And then you said ' the deer(e) from Ferodo' .... So off I went 'Dogpile' image searching, on 'Ferodo' - but came up with absolutely nothing. Finally, I tried the 'old standby' - eBay, and came up with not one .... but two vintage Ferodo key-rings bearing their stag logo ! See photos below. The vertical line appears to be an oversized arrow ....
Now all we need to do is transpose this stag logo onto a chequered flag and circle background, and we have the correct '67 Le Mans decal. Any good graphic artists reading this thread ?

 

Well, to me the logo on the photo of the blue car looks much more like the Ferodo stag than the "dog" on the original illustration. I'd bet that that's what it was.

 

Gary .... at the beginning of this thread, you wrote:

So it would seem that S.E.V. Marchal weren't the only ones getting away with it. Obviously, the scrutineers at Le Mans in '67 were 'turning a blind eye' to any trade decal without the manufacturer's name. Hence the Carello and 'Lighting by Silvania' decals were hastily ripped off the P4's on the start-line and replaced by these unusual Ferodo decals - without the normal Ferodo script. In fact, if you look at the SEV-Marchal 'Cat and Flag' decals - you will notice that they are minus the usual wording underneath. Closer inspection of the photo of the Alpine's front wing (in the photo posted by Staffan) also reveals a subtle Shell decal - without the word 'SHELL' ....

 

Again this old sticker came up on eBay in the last couple of weeks

 

So what did you find Gary ? I'm itching to see. I went through a similar number of image searches using www.Dogpile.com (IMHO a superior search engine), and found nothing like it.

Hasn't everybody involved in motorsport used it at some time? <g>
In the meantime, I took the liberty of sending an email to Ferodo UK Ltd. ...

 

Maybe we can help gte250 with this decal too?
It appeared on 18139, 14141, 16343, 02678 dino, 16367, 16407, 0872 and many nart 512's

http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9509

 

Yep that is the one!