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1970s Maserati tyre valve stems

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  1. carl888

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    Wondering is someone could post a photograph of the type of valve stem that Maserati would have used on say a Ghibli/Khamsin/Bora rim originally?

    Did they use a rubber stem or a metal one? Thanks for any information.

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  2. staatsof

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    I can only speak for the late Bora (tubeless). It was a metal stem with a disc shaped base that has a groove in it for a standard O-ring. Metal sealing cap. A nice piece that I've not seen available but there are similar variations very commonly available here which is what I used on my Espada's rims (originally tube). Usually $4-$6. These new ones use a specialy shaped rubber seal instead of a standard O-ring.
     
  3. carl888

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    Thanks Bob. The reason I ask, I am about to fit up a set of Ghibli wheels with some new tyres for a friend and I would like to get it right. I have a stack of metal (Both anodised aluminum, nickel plated brass and plain brass) stems from Italy which may be correct but everyone I ask.........tells me a different story :) What I do know, is that the rubber ones currently fitted can't be correct! I'll have the same question shortly for Lamborghini Jarama owners, about to do a set of those as well.
     
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    #5 miuras, Sep 18, 2013
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    tire-valves

    Try these guys at Bridgeport-usa. They are an Italian company with an office in Connecticut. Most likely they were the manufacturers of the original tire stem valves for Maserati's. I know they were for Lamborghini and Ferrari.

    Some of the modern tire valves don't look too far off from the original designs.

    Lambo tire valve reference.

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  6. staatsof

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    Well it does depends upon the year as my Bora (79) came without tubes whereas my Espada (71) came with a metal stem tube with threads to secure it to the rim.

    I restored my Espada's wheels, a big job, to make certain there would be no internal leaks via porosity as well as making certain the seating area on the rim would seal. That allowed me to go tubeless which is what most people do with those rims.

    I used something like this and it looks very period, close to what the tube's stem looked like (I have an original tube) and it's very reasonably priced. You can still find high speed rated tubes with threaded stems. I posted a link on the VLG forum a few years ago. Not inexpensive though.

    CAMEL Clamp-In V, 0.305-32, 1-1/4In, 1-1/4In - Tire Valve Stems and Cores - 1MYT8|30-463 - Grainger Industrial Supply

    These are easily available from many sources and they look/work great on mt Espada's rims.

    The earlier Maserati GT cars may have had tubes so ... Certainly with wire wheels you do.

    But the ones on my Bora do not look exactly like the ones in that link. It's more of a dull nickle finish and up close the the style is somewhat different. Nickle plated brass would be best but many are steel these days. Chinese ... Good luck finding the originals though. I think the ones in that link would pass for original especially in nickle instead of chrome.

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    That's a photo of my original Supersport tube on Craig's website. Lambos came with tubes not stems.

    I also don't see the Bora's valve stem anywhere on those websites.

    But we are obsessing are we not? :D LOL
     
  8. JulianMerak

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    #8 JulianMerak, Sep 19, 2013
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    Hi Carl,

    Heres a picture of the spare on my Ghibli....its been left outside for about 30 years by the look of it but it still has the original spec early Ghibli tyre and the valve may well be original too. It looks very similar to the one posted earlier

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    A little bit of spit, some compound and that'll polish right up! :eek:

    Hey was there a tube in there or tubeless?
     
  10. JulianMerak

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    LOL,
    I think if I touch it , it might disintegrate..don,t know the answer on the inner tube. I suspect the wheel is past saving now.....its an early knock off type which might be challenge to find
     
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    You should be able to tell from the backside if what remains is just the stem of the old tube or if it is separate stem that's secured to the rim. I suspect it's only the remnants of a tube.
    Just a guess based upon the cone shape of the stem.
     
  12. JulianMerak

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    Its still got a 205VR15 CN72 Cinturato HS tyre on it..Very old and very cracked on the side but it manages somehow to retain a bit of air all the same
     
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    Impressive! Call Pirelli to let them know. This may be a testament to their product's robust qualities! My guess is that the tube is the one holding the air.
     
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    #14 carl888, Sep 19, 2013
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    Julian, thanks for the pics, what an old warrior of a wheel! I can just make out the "ITALY" stamping on the base of the valve cap. That tyre/rim assembly has a tube. I suspect a Pirelli variant. The shoulder of the valve stem is a brass collar that serves two functions; 1. to apply pressure to the stem to keep it located in the rim hole should air pressure decrease and 2. to prevent the ingress of water down the stem and between the rim and tube.

    You should be able to remove the brass collar by removing the lock nut and then the collar should slide off. In your case, it may be prudent to apply a liberal dose of Rost-off first!

    This tube system by the way is identical to what Ferrari used.

    But the question still remains, what was used on a tubeless rim? Does anyone have a pic like Julians, but tubeless. Yes, it's all a bit OCD, but it would be nice to get it right.

    Bob and miuras..thanks for the pics and links. I did a little stock take of what I have and came up with these, do I have anything remotely close? Anyone?

    Upper picture, left to right:

    1. Generic homed brass stem. Made in Taiwan. I suspect not!
    2. Michelin/Mercedes-Benz stem designed for pre 1979 Mercedes-Benz alloy wheels. Made in Germany
    3. Nickel plated brass stem. Made in Italy
    4. Nickel plated brass stem. Made in Italy for BMW


    Lower picture, left to right:

    1. Anodised aluminium stem. Made in Italy for Ferrari.
    2. Brass stem in same style as above. Made in Italy.
    3. Brass stem with extended collar. I am sure I saw these on an early Dino 246 but I cannot be certain. Made in Italy.
    4. Brass stem with large washer. Made in Italy.

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    Bob, it's a tube.
     
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    It's a contentious issue because a radial rim has two small ridges that are designed to reduce the chance of the tyre coming off should it suffer a sudden deflation. However, with no pressure in in the tyre, they come off anyway. A rim designed for tubes does not have these ridges but the school of thought (At least in Australia) is you use a tubeless tyre if you can, even on a rim deigned for tubes. I suppose because the tubed rim doesn't have the ridges with or without the tubes!
     
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    Carl,

    Quite right, and in the days the tubeless-type rims used to have a 2H suffix (not Maerati specific).
    Fitting tubeless tyres on a flat-bed rim may cause a tubeless mount to lose contact and seal, also under cornering load, with low pressure.

    In practice this may be a bit of a moot point, but it may prove important when you have a calamity vis a vis your insurance.

    Best,

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    Maserati didn't update the rim when they went to tubeless on my Bora. Is anyone surprised? :rolleyes:

    So sue them.
     
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    That one looks the most like the one on my Bora which probably is different than what most people originally got with their cars which was a tube. Think of an ordinary O-ring sitting on the face of that lower flange inset in a groove so that when you secure the stem the O-ring effects a seal against the inside of the rim. It's nice because you can find O-rings anywhere.

    If anyone is looking for speed rated tubes (they have threaded metal stems) I could probably dig up the link as we discussed in over on Yahoo VLG several years ago. It might be in the database there.
     
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    lol. no. Very funny Bob :)
     
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    Bob, surely Boras were not still delivered with tubes.............really? That stem you refer to above in my pics has a thin (Viton I think) seal that affixes to the brass base. The steel upper section rests directly on the rim. My feeling was that it was the closest to what would have been supplied originally on a tubeless rim however I am yet to see a picture close up.

    If your Bora still was delivered with tubes, what if we fast forward into the technologically advanced 1980s, a Kyalami or a late Merak SS.......anyone have picture of those valve stems?

    If you wish to run tubes, the "V" rated ones to which you refer are the only ones that make sense really.
     
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    #22 staatsof, Sep 20, 2013
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    My Bora was tubeless. I don't know about the earliest ones.

    They switched from tubes to transistors way before this anyway.
     
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    Can you indicate where you found stem #3 and #4 please? They are the closest looking stems I've seen to what would have been originally on my car.

    Thank you!
     
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    See post 6 Alberto these are extremely easy to find.

    Are you using tubes or going tubeless.
     
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