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1972 Daytona Washer Pump

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  1. Dino6304

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    Settling in with my 1972 Daytona
    Can some one send me a photo of the windshield washer pump. Mine certainly looks very strange.
    Thanks
     

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  2. turbo-joe

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    normaly the pump is together with the bag. have a look at the bag. may be the pump is there but not working anymore and so they conneced this red pump ( for sure not original, never have seen such a pump in a ferrari and not in an other car )
    the 2 hoses connected to the pump looks very strong?

    I read seil11, france and left side looks like a gear. so a gear water pump.
     
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    #4 TTR, Mar 26, 2023
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    While not quite authentic/correct, that looks like a windshield washer pump.
    If it works, I wouldn’t worry about it.
    Also, the hoses and wire connector don’t appear quite authentic for a Daytona either, so this could be one of those proverbial rabbit holes +/-50 year old cars are often riddled with.
     
  4. Dino6304

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    Thanks
    Will figure it out
     
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    Just out of curiosity and with all due respect, but why do you “need some correct hose clamps” ?
    Are the ones currently on the car not working ?
    Are you sure there isn’t some other, more important issues to be corrected for the sake of performance, reliability & usability of the car ?
    I would highly recommend putting a few thousand or at minimum several hundred miles on the car while figuring out any and all real mechanical/technical concerns before wasting time/money on any small secondary frivolities.
     
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  7. gcalex

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    The air-cleaner-hose clamps are correct; If you don't want them, I'll buy them from you! :)

    The radiator clamps don't look like the correct Cheneys...
     
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    Can’t argue that
     
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    I have been told that the steering wheel position can be adjusted for height. Is that the case. I’ve included a pic of a bolt that looks to be at least one of the adjustment pieces.
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  10. flat-12

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    Here is a picture of mine
    (I think it’s the correct one)
     
  11. Dino6304

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    Thants to all
    I will calm down in a few weeks
    Great forum btw
     
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  12. flat-12

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    Don’t think the steering wheel is adjustable.

    I would change the hose clamps when the hoses getting old or something related has to be done.


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    I do think it be moved up or down but can’t open the thread that describes it.
    I think quite easy
     
  14. gcalex

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    Even on a plexi, I think a bag like this is more typically what one sees (fluid feed through the fill cap):
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    My pump looks like this (though I have no way of knowing if it is original):
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    Regarding the steering wheel adjustment, that particular bolt just holds the shroud to the boss behind it.

    Given the snugness of the opening that the steering-wheel comes through, I would be surprised if it's height could be changed usefully...
     
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    So I looked at the parts book, and it looks plausible to me that the wheel can be adjusted in the same way that it can in a 308 (which I did on my 308 decades ago). If that is right, it is not so much of a height adjustment, so much as a way to change the angle of the wheel, but yeah, you do get some up/down movement.

    Remove the lower mouse-hair “chin” that is below the wheel, and look for a pair of bolts whose axis’ go from left to right; one is below the column (and easy to see), and the other is way up inside the dash (and hard to see); what you are looking for is whether those bolts are going through slotted brackets (they would be almost horizontal and run front to back). If the bolts are in slots, you loosen the bolts, and then you can change the tilt of the wheel (though the height of the column at the point where the bolts are stays constant).

    Mind you, I might be completely wrong about the above, because I think my wheel is fine, and am not curious enough to verify myself… :)
     
  16. flat-12

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    Found a picture in another thread and it seems the older version of the foredit bag with the pump separate from the bag is right.


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    Steering wheel angle position is adjustable, but not from the bolt shown in post #10.
    AFAIK, the windshield washer bag shown in post #12 is not OEM/correct for Daytona, but then again, I wasn’t there when these cars were made.
     
  18. Edward 96GTS

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    i too thought the steering wheel angle was adjustable but Dyke confirmed it is not or he was unaware of it.
     
  19. Wheels1

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    They are correct in this photo, a plexi has a slightly different shape bag from memory, reproductions can be bought from most places now. photo below correct for pop up light car.
    The steering wheel angle can be changed but it is not simple, I did my during the rebuild, as it was too close to my knees, when the cowl was off the car, it raised it about 1.5" at my knees which was enough


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  20. turbo-joe

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    can someone post a photo of the original water bag please, both sides? this bag here you showed in the 2nd photo seems like a typical italian aftermarket like fiat and alfa also had.
    and the horn buttom is upside-down at the blue car, you may turn it right.
    does this LHD car ( 1st photo, red car ) is originally an US car? the airpump and the adapters at the exhaust manifolds looks original? never seen such airpump on german daytonas, only on US ones.
    how does the windschreen washer work? as I see it on the water bags there is no electrical pump. so it would work like the cars before with a food pump? are all daytona washers working equal? or have the later ones an electric pump?
    with daytona I´m not very familiar

    at the parts catalogue I not even can find such water bag
     
  21. gcalex

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    As is so often the case, Grant's restoration thread "saves the day"...

    Here is a pic (from Grant's thread) of the "slotted brackets" that I was trying to describe:
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    This basically looks like just like the arrangement in the 308.

    Part of me wonders whether the slots were originally just meant to allow for manufacturing variation, but later became a "feature" when someone noticed that you could use them to move the wheel around a bit... :)
     
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    #24 Drew Altemara, Mar 27, 2023
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    The steering wheel on Daytona is adjustable. My car is a 1973 Euro SN 16733. Lowered it to be more in my lap via the mechanism in the picture above.

    ... and my washer pump looks like the one in post #16, Drew
     
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