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1973 Indy4900 (LHM version) suspension question

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  1. AM1220552

    AM1220552 Karting

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    #26 AM1220552, Apr 14, 2013
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    The front seats were difficult to move back and forth and they needed some TLC with the leather so I took them out this weekend, now after some serious cleaning, leather wax and a bit of work, they are comming along nicely.

    The reason for why the seats aren't willing to move is caused by the seat rail pulleys (4 pr seat) becoming square. I am hoping these pulleys still exist, if not I think I will have to make new ones in urethane.

    Mid consol is comming out to install a Becker Mexico Stereo Casette player to replace the non working 8 track audiovox that is in the car, I will most likely restore the audiovox and keep it for later.

    Awaiting the return of 5 restored Campagnolo's with new XWX's so that I can get the car rolling and drive it over to a friend's carshop to finish the brake disk change. He's got induction heater & hydraulic extractor, a 4x130mm extractor plate on order and a team of mechanics standing by to assist with the job. Hopefully the wheel restorer will complete the job within next week, so that I can get some plates on the Indy and start to use it.




    Brgds

    Kim
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  2. Quattroporte3

    Quattroporte3 Formula 3

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    Looks like you're doing a great job with it, looking forward to following your progress and seeing her on the road soon!
     
  3. Merak1974

    Merak1974 Formula 3

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    Looks excellent Kim!
    Just make sure the car is ready for the club's Spring Lunch in two weeks time :)

    Cheers,
    Gabriel
     
  4. jarnved

    jarnved Karting

    Nov 8, 2013
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    Hi Kim
    I don't think that there was 200 with LHM brakes! I have read somewhere that the numbers was only 21 but i dont remember where i have read it.
    Maybe someone knows the numbers. I think also that out of 299 there was 100 with aut. transmissions. It could be nice if someone has the correct numbers!
     
  5. AM1220552

    AM1220552 Karting

    May 25, 2012
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    I did a count today on enrico's Indy register page, it has 37 definitive LHM Indy4900's on it,so the 21 is not correct and the 25 LHM only myth that I was told by the last owner has been busted.
    I am not sure how many LHM's, between 100 and 200 perhaps? 300-330 4.9 in total seems plausible. My 4900 is atleast the only known 4700 powered 4900, the last owner didn't know that either ;)


    Kind regards

    Kim
     
  6. jarnved

    jarnved Karting

    Nov 8, 2013
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    Now I have found the text about the 21 Indy on www.carnut.com. Maybe Ivan meant LHM in the same time as the other "extras". Mine 4900 has the same options as Ivan's.
    See below:

    This is a rather rare Maserati Indy, one of the very last made with the 4.9 liter engine V8 engine, ZF power steering, Citroen brakes, Ghibli 15
    inch Starburst wheels and the ZF 5-speed gearbox which was later used on the Khamsin. Apparently only 21 on these rare Indy were built and
    they can be identified by the unique triple air scoops on the hood. To make it even more interesting, this is a European spec car with the euro
    headers and smaller steering wheel center. This is the highest serial number Indy I have seen, it was perhaps the last one made.
     
  7. AM1220552

    AM1220552 Karting

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    #32 AM1220552, Jun 12, 2015
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    Jørn, I believe Ivan was quoting an often repeated myth back when he wrote that text (several decades ago)

    There is more recent intelligence on the Indy serialnumbers that makes this unlikely to say the least.

    These are the Italian (factory facts):

    Indy's produced:

    4200 = 440
    4700 = 364
    4900 = 299

    If we move forward in time to try to figure out how many 4900 LHM's there are, we first take a look at what Maserati stated, 299 produced 4900's.

    The 4900 engined Indy's have been offered as far back in time as AM116*49*696 but the 4700 and 4900 shared serialnumbers while the engines are just defined by the *47* or *49* this makes this a bit more difficult to figure out exact how many 4700 engined cars that might have been produced (the official number is 364, I have no rationale why we should be disputing these)

    But what we do know is that the (at this point in time) first recorded LHM-3-grille hood Indy4900 is AM116*49*1808 and the last known 3-grille LHM equipped car is 2166. While Colin (cwcmaser here on maseratichat, owner of 1808) have stated that 2208 might be the last Indy serialnumber.

    I have yet to see a 3-grille hooded Indy have an serial number with a *47* tag, so the likelyhood that they all were delivered with the 4900 engine is reasonable. (my Indy 1838 has an 4700 engine but this engine was installed at an later point in time)

    In my research there have been no 3-grille cars that's been offered with Bonaldi brakes and Borrani wheels. So I would assume that if it's a 3-grille it's an LHM equipped car.

    We also know that once the 3-grille Indy started production, Maserati didn't offer a 2-grille variant with a 4700 engine.

    We have 37 firm reasons (known cars with known serials, 4900 cc'd engines, 3-grilled hoods and Campagnolo starburst wheels) that kills the myth that there were only 21 Indy's with Citroën brakes.

    To top this off Fabio at Maserati Classiche say that;

    The total number of Indy 4.9 produced is 299 (99 of the first series with Bonaldi servo brakes system, 200 of the second series with Citroen brake system).
    The first Indy 4.9 produced (with Citroen brake system) was the *1808* (January 1973).

    So the number of 4900 engined series-3(LHM) Indy's is 200 basis what we have of available data today. That's a fact :)


    Kind regards

    Kim
     
  8. jarnved

    jarnved Karting

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    I think that your right but anyway it's funny that there are some diff. in the numbers of total made( the newest book "Maserati A Centory of History" which should be "honest" says totalmade 1136 and the book "Maserati" from aurizio Tabucchi says 1104 which is close to your number.
    Then it could be fine to know how many 4900 with aut. transmission there was made.
     
  9. staatsof

    staatsof Nine Time F1 World Champ
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    Apparently Lamborghini's records are even worse!

    For my car, Bora, I have a photo of Cozza pointing to my car on the last page of the factory log book. But without seeing all the other pages it's possible some chassis numbers were skipped I suppose?

    This sort of thing makes it all a bit more interesting no? :)
     
  10. thecarnut

    thecarnut F1 Rookie
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    I wrote that many years ago when I actually believed what others had written :)
    Such as only 98 series 2 Sebrings (not true) and 25 Ghibli SS spyders (also not true).

    Ivan
     

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