1975 308 GT4 pedals, very worn, is 20K miles possible?

You clearly haven’t seen really worn pedal covers. These look fine. If someone used the wrong shoes, that would hurt those more than any amount of miles.

Fwiw, I have brand new rubber pedal covers sitting in their packaging just in case I ever needed them. I think they’re easy to get.

 

If you are paying a premium for the low miles it may be a concern but I would focus more on the overall condition of the car, how it drives and getting a good PPI done by someone that knows 308s.


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No worn out hole on the pedal pads, you’re still good.

 

On a 47 y/o car I find it highly unlikely that the odometer has been intact and performed reliable for the lifespan.

 

The 308 is one of the easiest speedo/odometers to disconnect, merely unplug the sensor at the final drive.
If you look closely at 308 related YouTube videos you can often see that the speedometers are not operating for some unknown but very convenient reason. Service history paperwork is a more accurate indicator of true mileage.

I can remember as a teenager me and my friends would borrow our parents car to "go to the library to study", once out of our parents sight we would reach up under the dashboard and disconnect the speedometer cable and drive around all evening. It was a little harder than unplugging an electrical connection but it always worked.

Coincidentally I just watched a Jay Emm video released yesterday on the subject of service history and how it effects vehicle value, it's worth a watch.

 

Here in Italy 3x8 odometers are in Km with five digits: 62 k miles and then it shows 00000. Once I inspected a 208 GTS turbo with 29000 km (18 k miles) shown on the ODO. The seller was a professional independent dealer: the engine was covered with oil and coolant, the seats were ultra worn, carpets replaced with others and so on. After some minutes I had started the inspection, the dealership owner came aside and asked me if I liked the car. I answerd him: "Well, I have to say I have some concerns about the car, as I wasn't able to understand if the car has 129000 or 229000 km..."

Then I leaved the shop and erased the dealership phone number.

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It’s never done 5 K miles in 15 yrs .
The wool is being pulled over your eyes .

Unfortunately theses days 4 decades later disregard any odo reading they are meaningless.
Dead easy to reach into the engine compartment ( with long arms ) or reach under the rear RHS just behind the crank pulley and simply unplug the sensor .
The sensors are best described as chocolate tea pots any how and go .A 5 min job to switch over .3 types all 9iss easy to disconnect.

Sorry to bring the bad news your inference is correct it’s not a 20 K car .

 

Odometer warnings aside, you are doing the right thing. Look at the general condition of the car. Check compression, look for rust, keep in mind that most sellers will do what they can to make the car look as good as possible. Taking all that into consideration, decide what you are comfortable paying and if this car is a good match for you.

My only other advice (if you have the choice) is to spend the money up front and buy the best possible example you can find. Unless you are looking for a project car and have the skill and time to put in a lot of sweat equity, it will cost a lot more to fix up a car than to buy one that's already in a good condition.

Good luck!

 

Most of the pedal pad wear is from age.

 

Here are pictures of my pedals and odometer, also from a '75 gt4. My odometer, like many, is not terribly reliable.

Simply from the wear-and-tear (literally torn!) on the clutch pedal pad of the gt4 you're considering, I think that car has been shifted a lot more than mine. Far more than 4x as much, just by the mileage on the odometer. I think that if that is truly a 20,000 mile car, then it has been extensively, (and maybe excursively) raced on the miniature-golf-course of race tracks.

But, that's just my opinion.

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Do you know if your pedal pads are original to the car? They may have been replaced at some point. They’re super easy to change.

All I am saying is that those don’t necessarily look like near-50-year-old pedal pads, outside of mileage.

Just asking. And again, I think type of shoes and such can make a bigger difference than miles. Look at the comparable wear on both of these.

 

No, I do not.

The car won 2nd in a Concours in the mid-80's. So I don't think they had been replaced at that point. The car was listed and sold Sept. '89, shortly after Enzo Ferrari's death, with 50,000 miles. It was sold for an unknown amount and put up for sale again just 3 months later for a whopping $68,000 - and of course, it didn't sell. It remained a show-room queen, shuffled between Sports & Classics (NYC), Classic Auto Concepts (FL), finally landing with Michael Cannillo (NYC) who had it for sale for $28,000 with 50,000 miles but the new owner (M.Fallow) said it had 60,000 miles. Fallow used the car for wine deliveries in Napa, CA, before moving to Brazil, and sold it with 81,300 in 2004. It was then bought by me in 2006 with 81,700. I'm certain the two previous owners did not change them as I have all of the maintenance records from them.

For reference here is: my car

Not sure why the following is red. Must have made a mistake with the link... but, whatever!

So, the pads may have been changed prior to the concours, as the rockers were replaced at that time and it was given a "proper" interior with Connolly leather. If that is the case, then it's possible that these pads only have 32k to 33k miles on them. Which is still 50% more than 20k miles noted on the car amike is considering, and my pads still have less than 1/2 the wear than those.

But the bottom-line is, amike has to decide. I'm just sharing information.

Cheers!

 

Looks to me like they could be original, crumbling from age not wear. The horizontal ribs are fairly thin and soft, and do tend to wear right off with extended use.

So if the rest of the car seems original and low milage, the pads would be consistent with that.

 

Are you talking about mine, or the original poster's? If you are responding to the orig poster's pics, the rip on the clutch is from the foot slipping off of the left side of the pedal. That didn't come simply with age; but rather, from use. At 20k compared to mine - even if mine is only 30k - strongly indicates that the car has far more than just 20k miles on it.

Just my opinion, of course.

 

I would remove the pedal pads and send them out for forensic analysis (oh its not /april 1 yet?). Just the storage conditions alone will impact the appearance of rubber parts. I know there are a lot of people who buy based on mileage and to you, hat's off. The remainder of us buy for no reason at all of more importantly on condition. Do you know anyone who had to bring a true 20,000 mile, 40 year old car out of storage? Its not pretty. The best cars are driven.

 

I was referring to the original post, that is too much age related rubber crumbling, more than the wear from use to my eye.

 

Accelerator pedal looks like a 20,000 mile car.