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1982 308 shifter wont engage

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  1. f68

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    Stupid me i jacked the car up and tried to adjust the shifter rod and now i just get nothing
    no 1,2,3,4,5, i really dont want to pull the pan.Any guidance would be great
    thanks
     
  2. MNExotics

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    If you can crack a safe by feel you have a chance. I highly recommend pulling the pan
     
  3. lostbowl

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    Yep, drop the pan! Lost
    PS worth it just to understand the logic.
     
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    Ditto - just pull the pan and save yourself a lot of time and aggravation. Do a search for the procedure.
     
  5. andyww

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    I managed to lose the adjustment completely when I did mine. I didnt find it especially difficult to get it back without removing the pan.

    Two people are needed, one in the car and one underneath, preferably with some mechanical ability (rules out the wife :)) and understanding of how the mechanism works. I think the process is first to get it into neutral then any gear at all, then tighten it and determine which gear its actually in, by using the gear lever. If its in the wrong gear for the gate position, re-adjust and keep at it until its right.
     
  6. f68

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    Thanks thats what i was afraid of. I am going to wait till tomarrow and have a friend help me move the shifter while i'm underneath hopefully i can get it without pulling the pan
     
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    Best thing to do.
     
  9. f68

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    #9 f68, Mar 13, 2014
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    Look at the red arrow pointing at the shifting rod end.
    Which way is it supposed to be facing in neutral ? up like it is or sideways
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  10. lostbowl

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    Like I said in a previous post, take the pan off if for nothing more than to understand how it works and what does what! You'll feel better if you understand the box instead of looking for a short cut. If you look inside you will be able to straighten it out in the future without removing the pan and then you can advise the next rookie to come along. Personally I aquired allot of knowledge here and you will also. Just remember a Ferrari is not from Mars, it's just another car that requires care! lost
     
  11. FasterIsBetter

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    Lost is right, and you are getting some good advice here. Dropping the transmission pan is not difficult, and easy to replace. Just watch out for the little springs and ball bearings. Take the pan down slowly and note where they go for reassembly.

    But do search the archives. There are several great threads on removing and reinstalling the pan, and understanding the shifter and how it operates, so you know what you are looking at in there. As Lost has said several times, once you see it, you'll understand. Since you have never done this adjustment before, you are shooting in the dark. Unless you have someone helping you who knows what he is doing, it will be just a matter of luck if you get it aligned properly. Removing the pan eliminates the guess-work. Besides, it never hurts to put new gear oil in the tranny anyway. And there are plenty of threads on that as well.
     
  12. f68

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    Thanks for the help guys i just did all the fluid and gasket changes and shift shaft seals i think i understand how it works i just don’t understand y im getting free play its not engaging into gear. i was just trying not to drop the pan again as i have no leaks u no how that goes
    Orwell i guess im dropping the pan again
    Thanks
     
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    thanks faster
     
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    Mine is side ways.
     
  16. MNExotics

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    The fork on the end of the shift rod can slip and reposition or fall off all together. If you can't get an instant feel where it is sitting relation to the internal throw switches pull the pan. Highly recommending that you follow the sound advice given here.
     
  17. f68

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    Ya i've decided to pull the pan again.I just don’t understand y im getting the free play i guess i will find out
     
  18. andyww

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    You will get free play there because its 90 degrees off so the shift fork has come away from all of the selector shafts.
    If it has come disengaged it should re-engage UNLESS you have pushed one of the selector shafts into gear after having disengaged the shifter, then there is no alternative than to drop the pan because you will have to manually pull the selector back into neutral.

    There was a service bulletin which describes a gearbox change to prevent disengagement in this way but it applies to 328 only unfortunately.
     
  19. f68

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    Thats what i was thinking it did andyww
    Thanks
     
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    #20 f68, Mar 19, 2014
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    Just an Update I removed the trans gear pan and the shift fork has come away from all of the selector shafts. I had it all screwed up is neutral the middle one?
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  21. lostbowl

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    It's not which one is neutral it's all three need to aline and let the shift shaft arm move freely between them and when you select a gate the shift shaft will move it forward or backward. cheers, Lost
     
  22. f68

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    what i meant to ask is first the middle one?
     
  23. andyww

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    What I suggested above has happened. You would simply need to get all the shafts in the middle location. Its not possible to get them wrong as long as they all line up because there are lockout balls which prevent more than one gear from being engaged at the same time (which is never good :))
     
  24. f68

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    Do i need the springs and ball bearing in the holes to adjust ?
     
  25. andyww

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    Ideally yes, as these give the fore-aft detent. Otherwise you might find the horizontal gate slot does not line up with the detent in the box.
     

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