1982 bb512i sold £29900

A very big factor in these cars is the cost of parts and service. To do a proper major service on a BB takes 40 hours. Shop rate? $100 per?

Anyone can work on a Vette and parts are easier to come by than when they were new.

BJ/Speed/ are fueling a HUGE move into different kinds of cars. TR's and BB's are labor intensive and costly to maintain and their pool of buyers is shrinking.
That's why their prices are dropping and the price of BJ type cars are climbing. If I wanted a BB or a TR I would pay up for a perfect car as the cost to bring one back in the end will be higher.

 

Agreed, on all points!

There certainly seem to be many changing hands.

The viewpoint of these cars as an 'asset' only lasts until repair time. It then flips, like a flag on a pole, to 'liablity'.

In no way is this a criticism, they are just beautiful, IMO.

Lot's of beautiful items behave in this manner!

That's about $60K.............about right, IMO.

 

It would be nice if we could somehow standardize the condition ratings, from auction to auction.......

I suspect the Euro events "7 of 10" would be a B/J event "11!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! with a pretty girl standing beside it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

 

Good points all. However, there is a flip side to this:

1) BBs and TRs are the only top of the line, 2-seat Ferraris available for under $100k.

2) Many kids grew up in the 80s wanting a BB or a TR. They have (or will soon) reached the age where those cars are attainable.

3) Service and maintenance costs on old Ferraris have always been expensive. I think most buyers factor that in, especially the buyers of vintage cars. "Buy the best one you can afford" is always good advice, and the higher the maintenance cost/purchase cost ratio, the more important that advice is.

Generally, these cars have been too new to be viewed as desirable collector cars. and too old to be attractive to the "new Ferrari" demographic. In other words, they are in the "used car" era of their life. Once upon a time, Daytonas, 275 GTBs, Lussos, etc all were used cars and had the same issues.

Now, granted, there were many more BBs and TRs built than the earlier cars. However, I would argue that the pool of affluent potential buyers is also much larger. And, I would agree that numbers will tend to limit the appreciation-- I doubt we will ever see a $500k BB, unless it has some sort of celeb provenance or something (or inflation goes crazy). However, a $150k BB over the next 15-20 years? I think that's likely.

 

Go find him! LOL!

Do you know this tomoshea, who posts occasionally??

I get the impression reading his queries he's working alone in a barn somewhere! Might need a friendly hand, at times.........

Boxers are a big sleeper right now. I'll tell you when I buy mine an d we can THEN talk them up! LOL!

 

Probably went cheap because of that foo-foo tan interior.

 

LOL! What color do you have Murph????

 

The King of the Toasted Ponies, Tom Shaughnessy, recently told me that Boxers are betweener cars. They are too old for those into the new cars, and they are too new for those into the old cars.

Someday their day will come.

Dale

 

Lumberjack, Black.

 

If anybody asks my car is no longer a "Boxer" but the "In-Betweener"!

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I had an architect once use that overlapping circle image...much the same as your post......

The connectedness between conscious and unconsciousness........and the dialog between.

That was heavy, Murph!

I used that analogy just the other day when describing Ferrari values.

"There's a time the new ones are enjoyed, torn up and thrown in junkyards, then as value increases with rarity, there's a period of time they migrate back from the junkyards onto the streets, albeit in greatly reduced numbers from original quantities..."

They looked at me and said........"oh......."

 

It's OK, having a Pantera offsets your foo-foo tan interior

Yup, 3rd generation, the whole tribe moved from County Cork

 

I like all the comments. Jeff's comment was exceptional - about the enthusiasts car. The one that does his homework, and is not just captivated by the emblems and image. Hey what is out there that is the "real deal" for the price of beer today ? He is correct most folks would just rather not be bothered and start with either the 355 or 512TR. Why bother with an old car that fits the image of the old road warrior cars, where you are possibly always under the hood ? BesiDES the air is not that great, the interior is cramped, the craftsmenship is crude, you can see flaws, no P.S. (thank g/d) !! and your other half would probably want the more modern car. Perhaps she could actually drive that one ? However you and I really like almost all of those features (except for the air and the radio that does not work) (who cares)? Hey they gave this car a soul. We do not even have to talk about what it is like to open that rear deck and look at that engine !!!

Whoa.

 

there was no 29k euros for a 512 bbi at gstaad this year . the cars sold for 56900 + 16 % for the red car, 44889 vin, then 57xxx for the other car... then a 512 bb with royal family provenance sold for 125000 usd ! yes...... no b.s story of 29000 euros... who in hell is this guy stating these wrong statements.....

the only car that sold real cheap in the 512 bb world is the meesed up koenig at barett last weekend. the car was a mess...still did 42000$ +...a true shi..box.......
there is no question here..a driver bb 512 sells for mid 60's anytime,a nice driver for low 70's,a great driver for high 70's-low 80's,a perfect car for high 80's to 100 +

i have 2 for sale now and this type of statements irritates me,specially when not accurate...i am a boxer lover and always have one or 2 in my inventory..

we do some services on them ourselves: here is the facts:

engine in-out,change all seals,\gaskets,belts,tentioners,water pump, 25-27 hours...at 60$ / hous canadian !

parts are 1000$ for all...tentioners at 85$ each45$ belsts x2, gasket kits 400$,water pump kit......

a deep engine /valve ajustment etc...add 5 hours...

they are as simple as other cars to service...mechanics just take advantage since it is a 12 cyl,engine needs to be dropped... they make it look like a big jog...expensive... all b.s.

we did a few and will do one next week for a car i just bought...

whoever loves bb's, let me tell you guys they are great,fun ,powerfull,will appreciate in value with a few years,but slowly. they will never go down in value, that is a fact...80's avg prices will always be selling for good serviced cars,documented.....

 

sorry but to me ,a 355 is like a honda on steroids...no feeling,no ferrari feeling...interiors deteriorate fast ..cheap built..all is so fragile...a 512 bbi is built by enzo.. the car is built with feeling,rough...not well perfected..but a true muscle car... the 512 tr is a great machine..i prefer the 512 bb but like the 512 tr.. now,the 512 m is one of my favorite,,,,you cannot conpare a 360 -355 to a 512 tr or bb... they are new generation commercialised cars...not built for the love of cars but to make money ....the mentality was different before...enzo was after the prestige,the feeling... now,all cars have to be user friendly....

and by the way,a 512 bb is confortable... very.. a 308 is cramped...a 512 is spacious..a little too much i think..but still a confortable car..look at 355 values... 55-75 gets you into a great 355 95' spyder or tb... and they will go down some more... a 512 bb,never will go down that bad...sure investment..355,like a 308 in the futur..

 

Steve:

I was just wining about what the (refined generation) would say about the car. I am not complaining. I never complain with couscous and chaareef. yum yum. - (inside joke) ! I actually want the most cramped production car out there. An LP400S lowbody.


Sure they make them cheap now. Everybody is. They (auto corporations) now share major components with lower level marques. Amazing that people do not care. A Bentley GT coupe with a VW engine ! What a scam.

 

With all the discussions on the Boxer we eventually end up talking crap about the values and how ****ty the car is , cramped ,old style , worthless!!!!. Seems all the same chatters come out and *****! I would like to know why beat this car to death over and over again .I tend to look at all the Boxer posts and just cannot understand the negativity for the car. We all have fun here and we talk about all models but jeeeees. I feel guilty driving my car thinking about last night posts!

 

dont let em get ya down........... rip through the gears, smile a big smile....... and to hell with them all. Boxers rule!

 

Calm down LA Dave, from "Lil' Tex...LOL!

We saw 'pounds sterling', .....making this a $60K USD car, in the ballpark, certainly..with fee it'll be about $65K USD.

We love Boxers, we are ALL gonna get one someday! Maybe two.


We LOVE Boxers....they look like big 308GTBs....