1983 Turbo for $199,000

A museum car.

Unfortunately, you cannot drive it.

 

sounds reasonable for the person that wants a brand new 930. this is a non-duplicable machine.

 

Sort of. IIRC there's another 930 in Florida that has about the same mileage, maybe less. The guy posted on Pelican or Rennlist about getting that car and a SC or Carrera with very low miles. I can't remember the color, but I do remember it had light colored Dr. Fuhrmann seats in it.

 

You never know. Someone could drive it. My 124 mile 1995 F355 Spider, purchased in 2010 now has 6,100 miles on it. Drove it today. Still drives like a new car.

 

It looks great, though it's a grey market car. Not that it matters any more. 1979 was the last turbo aka 930 for the US and then it was reintroduced in 1986 as a 911 turbo

 

A bargain if your into that kind of thing. I like to drive mine however...
Still a BEAUTY to look at.

 

I would never buy a car that has sat that long without use unless a stack of maintenance records came with it detailing the continued care that a sitting car requires. Cars were never designed to be stationary for extended periods of time and do not lend themselves well to that kind of "use". I am a firm believer that in most cases a car that has been driven as intended and maintained normally will run better than a sitting beauty.

 

but here is the point. a zero mileage recommissioned car is a new car. it is pretty cool to buy a 30 year old new car.

i bought a 964 turbo s with delivery miles and then spent big money making it mechanically perfect. i wanted a brand new 964 turbo s to drive. a car is only new once.

 

Totally agree...

 

The debate about low mileage cars is going on in the 308/328 section. This fear of low mileage cars is largely overblown. Yes, if a car sat for a long time unused, you have to replace the belts, hoses, tires, battery, and some seals. Sure you will get a big bill for it. However, once those services have been done, these cars rarely require any more than the average version that has been driven several thousand miles per year. The difference is someone is experiencing a vintage "new car." Ever seen what it costs for a high quality paint job or to redo an interior on an average driver condition Porsche or Ferrari...that gets very pricey. In addition, a car is only original once.

Obviously, if someone is going to track the car and beat the heck out of it, they would be better off getting something in average condition. If someone is going to drive it on weekends, and show it, it could be a great car for them.

 

That is actually a well priced car.

Ask yourself:

1) What would a run of the mill 930 cost today? $50k

2) What would it cost to totally restore a 930 to 'new' condition? Easily, $100k. Realistically more like $150k.

Low miles 89 Speedsters are now $175-200k cars...why not this?

 

you can buy my 86 930 for 32k... with 89kmiles

 

Something is off with the gauges on this car. Why are the tach and speedometer changed from stock? The needles are different, and the redline isn't even correct for a 930. At this price point those would be enough to make me walk from this (if I were looking for a no questions asked 50KM 930 for >$100K). It makes no sense to me...does the car have 50KM, or just the speedometer? It shouldn't have been switched from stock if this car was meant to be preservered the day it was purchased... Car looks beautiful otherwise!

 

Those were my thoughts too! Doesn't appear to be the same as on my -79 Turbo although I'm not so familiar with changes made from year to year.

 

Keep in mind this is a gray market car. There were no US spec 930s made from 1980 through 1985. Porsche brought the 930 back into the US in 1986 calling it the 911 Turbo. The Speedo/RPM etc are from Gemballa, which did some pretty outrageous tuning on Porsches years ago. Some of the body kits were on the flashy/ugly side. I don't know why someone would have the speedo/RPM gauges changed and keep the rest of it stock. Normally, when converting a Euro spec car they converted the speedometer to one with MPH...this is still in kilometers.

However, at least in the photos, the interior looks like brand new and the paint looks flawless. Obviously, anyone contemplating it would want to see it in person and get a PPI to see if other think it truly looks like a 50 mile or 50 Kilometer car.

 

I'm well aware this car is a non-us car (and other nuances as I obsessed over these cars while saving up for my first one and then after owning a few over 20 years )- it doesn't explain why the speedometer and RPM gauges were changed- this car is being represented as a 50 mile car buy the seller who is asking an awful lot of money for the car. As pretty as the car is, is this a "true mileage unknown ("TMU") car? For this kind of money there should be fewer than zero questions....hopefully there is iron clad documentation or the asking price is way too high (and it might be too high even if the miles can be proven)

A quick example of useless stuff I remember- the late 1970's SC and Turbo brochure is the only place I've seen a redline of 6300 for a turbo gauge (with the bar needle) and it was an error...the same picture was used in later brochures and they "corrected" the redline to 6800 somehow (this was in the days before simple photoshop)- the picture (and miles on the speedometer odometer) are the same from brochure to brochure except the redline is changed. Weird stuff going on in the 70's

Another f-chatter actually posted a picture of this:

http://s418.photobucket.com/user/carrlane/media/78pre5.jpg.html

http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp269/carrlane/78pre4.jpg

The above pictures are buried in this thread:

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/porsche/371414-1979-porsche-930-78s-too-17.html

 

The condition of the car is beautiful, but I'd never have any interest in a gray market car, short of maybe a 365BB or 512BBi. I'd rather have my car made for the US by the factory rather than some questionable conversion. Granted a handful of places like Amerispec did very high quality work converting cars years ago, but I've seen a several horror stories involving really poor work done to convert Euro Ferraris and Porsches to US specs.