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  1. rachidbaligh

    rachidbaligh Karting

    Dec 18, 2008
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    I'm working on an 88 TR: The fuel pumps are not working.. and there is no electrical power to both fuel pump; fuel pumps relays are both good. I pulled relays out, connected jumper wire from battery positive terminal directly to number 87 probe at relay socket connector and no power at the end of fuel pumps. Any ideas of what it could be and what further diagnosis i should do?
     
  2. Steve Magnusson

    Steve Magnusson Two Time F1 World Champ
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  3. rachidbaligh

    rachidbaligh Karting

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    Thank you, I will..
     
  4. fast eddy

    fast eddy Formula Junior

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    Hi, I had similar problems when rebuilding my car that had sat for 7 yrs. I assumed the pumps were fine, when actually the pumps needed replaced because they had frozen up. I also flushed gas tanks, as any debris that gets to the pump might seize it.
     
  5. rachidbaligh

    rachidbaligh Karting

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    Hi Steve,
    I looked into what you told me and everything checks out fine.. The issue is still that there isn't any voltage/electricity at the end where fuel pumps are..
     
  6. Steve Magnusson

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    There's no other connectors between the y connector and the fuel pumps.

    You mentioned putting +12V on terminal 87 in the relay socket as a test, but that terminal is not connected to the fuel pump (on a late US TR). My suggestion would be:

    1. try the same test, but jumpering the +12V battery terminal onto terminal 30 in the fuel pump relay socket; if the corresponding fuel pump doesn't run,

    2. Apply the jumper from the +12V battery terminal to the large P (beige) wire and then to the large PN (beige/black) wire in the y connector, if the fuel pumps still don't run, either the pumps are dead or you have a break in the wiring.

    Good Hunting!
     
  7. rachidbaligh

    rachidbaligh Karting

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    Thanks Steve! I'm on it tomorrow!
     
  8. rachidbaligh

    rachidbaligh Karting

    Dec 18, 2008
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    Thanks Steve! We figured it out... The problem was a broken connection on the printed circuit board of electrical relays box. We fixed by using 18 gauge electrical wires and jump across broken spots..
     
  9. Whisky

    Whisky Three Time F1 World Champ
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    And hopefully you are looking for a new box in the meantime..
     
  10. Steve Magnusson

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    Thanks for the feedback Rachid, but can you give more information about the failure please -- was the break down by the horizontal white connectors and caused by overheating (a problem that we've seen before), or was the break just randomly out in the middle of the PWB somewhere (something that hasn't been reported before), or something else?
     
  11. rachidbaligh

    rachidbaligh Karting

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    Hi Steve, sorry I've travelling and didn't have a chance to respond.
    The issue was in the printed circuit board..
     
  12. rachidbaligh

    rachidbaligh Karting

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    the horizontal white connectors were fine, By the PWS do you mean the 8 inch by 1 food circuit board by insulation?
     
  13. Steve Magnusson

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    Yes, PWB = Printed Wiring Board = Printed Circuit Board
     
  14. rachidbaligh

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    Yes, that's what it was.. we bypassed bad areas by using regular wire.
     
  15. Steve Magnusson

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    But was the "bad area" near the white connectors (and obviously damaged by heat), or somewhere else and just a break with no heat damage?
     
  16. rachidbaligh

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    it was a break with no heat damage..
     
  17. Mr.Chairman

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    That is very odd.. Glad you found your issue..

    R
     
  18. Steve Magnusson

    Steve Magnusson Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Thanks for the feedback. We've learned to never say never when talking about what could go wrong ;), but, as R said, your failure type hasn't been reported here before AFAIK.
     
  19. rachidbaligh

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    That's really weird.. The car has spent it's life here in Colorado and was not used much and belongs to a friend, we went through the basic diagnostic procedure which you Steve helped us out with. I was kinda surprised when we figured out the problem and now the car is running fine.. I just didn't realize that this issue was that rare of an occurence..
     

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