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1989 328 Garage Queen Passes CA SMOG!

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  1. surfermark

    surfermark Formula Junior

    May 19, 2004
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    Mill Valley, CA
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    Mark
    As some of you may know here on FChat, I recently bought a 1989 328 GTB with 4,300 original miles…..i.e. a Garage Queen as some would say. I prefer to just say an all original super low mileage 328. I took delivery of the 328 a week ago. This 328 had not been driven the last 15 years…..It was never even registered the last 15 years….it was purely an investment 328 for the previous owner….Just bought it and let it sit in a well controlled environment. It did however have oil changes, and fluid changes every few years and in 2005 a spark plug change. That is it.

    I often read on this forum how bullet proof the 328 series really is with regards to the engine. So I took the opportunity before I have the major service done to see if the 328 will pass SMOG here in California. As we all know California has just about the toughest SMOG laws around. I figured what an opportunity to really test a 328 that has been sitting for quite some time and to see if it would pass SMOG. Sure enough I made the appointment here in Mill Valley today to have her tested…..The 328 passed CA SMOG with flying colors the first time out of the gate…..

    Just thought this was an interesting test to do on a Garage Queen 328 that is like new in every respect……Interesting test I thought.
     
  2. LNR

    LNR Karting

    Apr 28, 2005
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    Lyndon
    Congrats on passing SMOG!

    Question on the 15 years......did you have to pay any penalties upon registration or was the car PNO'd?
     
  3. surfermark

    surfermark Formula Junior

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    No penalties....just high sales tax! I am not sure what a "PNO'd" even is.....But no penalties of any kind.
     
  4. Bullfighter

    Bullfighter Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Jan 26, 2005
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    PNO = planned non-operation

    I think it's $15 or so, and you keep the car parked.

    Also I think Mark just brought the car into California - the "clock" starts there as far as the taxman is concerned.
     
  5. Bronco Jr

    Bronco Jr Guest

    What no belts? If it didnt have belts I would reccommend that you have these changed imeadiatly....
     
  6. Rachane

    Rachane Formula 3

    Sep 5, 2005
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    I strongly recommend new tires. The ones on the car obviously look brand-new, but are 16 years old.
     
  7. AMA328

    AMA328 F1 Rookie

    Nov 12, 2002
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    ABQ-67me68-OKC :)
    would you mind posting either the serial number or
    month/date of manufacture that's listed on the
    driver's door jam ? Curious about '89 'B's, cuz there ain't
    too many of those... :)
    thx
     
  8. blu328gts

    blu328gts Formula 3
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    May 26, 2004
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    That's awesome, Mark - both the purchase and passing smog! Hope to catch you and your car at some of the NorCal get togethers.
     
  9. sparta49

    sparta49 F1 Veteran
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    Mar 3, 2001
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    You are a brave man starting that engine up on 15 year old timing belts.
     
  10. Glassman

    Glassman F1 World Champ
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    Yes but isn't it also a bit reasuring?
     
  11. surfermark

    surfermark Formula Junior

    May 19, 2004
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    Mill Valley, CA
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    Mark
    Serial number is: ZFFXA19A2K0078894. It is a 1989 328 GTB with 4,300 original miles...beautiful car.
     
  12. surfermark

    surfermark Formula Junior

    May 19, 2004
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    Mill Valley, CA
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    Mark
    Yes I found this very reasuring actually.....I mentioned in the original post I wanted to do this "before" I have the major service done (at which time the belts will be repalced etc). This was a great test to do I think and speaks to the quality of the 328 engine series. A well maintained 328 is a pretty strong beast.....I think it also shows that the 328 series is a pretty tough nut of a Ferrari and even after sitting for 15 years (15 very very well cared for years) it was able to pass California Emissions Standards straight out of the gate. Much more I only drove the 328 from my house in Mill Valley to the Emissions testing staion, which is about 10 minutes on local roads (I never even got out of third gear)....the 328 was barely warm from the drive and she still passed California Emissions with flying colors. The guys at the testing were amazed at this car and the condition it was in...their exact words were "has this ferrari been in a time capsul or something...man it looks awsome"

    I think this was an "awsome" test actually. I do not really think the 328s are as tender as people make them out to be ( I can say this as I have read every 328 post over the last 2 years at least twice). The second note is on the drive home a torential rain storm came through as I was just finished getting her tested. I drove her home in a torential rain storm......again no issues and she performed fantastically. Of course after I got home I dried her off and aways she swent for the rest of the day.....The first bath so to speak.....As I was drying the car off I got to go over every inch of it....I was amazed at the quality and feel of the car...every nook and crany was dried and I was amazed how well she feels when you dry her off....love the curves on the GTB....and with a Factory delete rear spolier she looks awsome.

    For those of you who are cringing in year seats when you read the original post.....I do plan to have the original tires replaced (which have full tread wear and speak to the low mileage) and the major service done in the next few weeks....again this was an awsome test to the reliability of the 328 series...not to many chances come along to test a 15 year old 1989 328 GTB with 4,300 original miles on California Emissions.
     
  13. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    He makes a very good point. Last year I replaced the original tires on our 90 TR that had about 8k miles on them. I knew they were rock hard from age but really had an eye opener when I had to make a rather fast stop from about 110. They wouldn't. Car slid a long way and flat spotted the sh*t out of them. It is like being on ice.

    Get new tires. That car will not stop.
     
  14. hardtop

    hardtop F1 World Champ

    Jan 31, 2002
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    Mark,
    I'm not surprised it passed. Mine have always tested at just fractions of the limits.

    PS. Since it's now been in a "torrential downpour" no one will want it, but I'll still pay about 30K delivered. What do you say?

    DAve
     
  15. surfermark

    surfermark Formula Junior

    May 19, 2004
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    Hi Dave....its yours for a mere $30k X 2 + $5K......Delivered to your door!

    .....M
     
  16. hardtop

    hardtop F1 World Champ

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    Is that algebra?

    Dave
     
  17. Bronco Jr

    Bronco Jr Guest

    An awesome test indeed.

    Belts that should be changed every two years, regardless of mileage, run after 15? Its not a question of the engine being "a tough old nut" would you have run it with 15 year old oil?

    how different the post would have been had they have snapped, how many would have questioned your logic

    The Chap who I bought my 328 from ran 12 months over the time limit for belts, car didnt do any milage (it wa sin its carcoon), but just to be sure it was trailored to the shop to have the work done. Now thats someone who cared for his car and wasnt taking chances. Put my mind at rest...

    awesome, sorry but its just plain foolish to me


    just MHO of course and I'm ready to be shot down in flames for not conforming....
     
  18. surfermark

    surfermark Formula Junior

    May 19, 2004
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    Mark
    First, no reason to shoot down anyone in flames. Everyone has opinions on things which is what makes this forum so great.

    Like I mentioned, this test was interesting to test if a car that has been sitting for 15 years could pass CA Emissions before the Major service?….and of course I would not have done the test if the 328 had 15 year old oil as I would not wish for that to circulate internally within the engine…but it has new oil etc from the previous owner. The belts were actually inspected before I bought the car…They looked fine but did recommend they be changed of course, which they will be when I take the car in for its major service this week. I was interested in the engine itself to see if it would be able to pass emissions.

    There was no danger in wrecking the engine…328s are not like 348s in that respect. The drive on the 15 year old belts was a 10 minute ride on local roads, never out of third gear or above 30MPH……The test also proved that parts in general (like belts) are pretty robust as well. Now had I bought a 348 instead of a 328, no way I would have done this test to be perfectly clear.

    I can guarantee you I take care of my 328. I am sending her in this week for a major service, where all hoses will be swapped out for new ones, water pump rebuilt, all seals replaced etc…..sparing no expense on the major service. Just my opinion, but cars in general are pretty robust and not made of “glass”. Just because the 328 is Ferrari does not mean it is not a robust car…..I would think just the opposite actually…they are made for performance and in general things like belts etc are made to withstand high performance driving……I had not a worry in the world on this test I did.

    ……M
     
  19. parkerfe

    parkerfe F1 World Champ

    Sep 4, 2001
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    My 1982 BB512i has passed Georgia emissions for the last three years...and it is full euro-spec...and next year it will be exempt as it will turn 25 years old!
     
  20. Bullfighter

    Bullfighter Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Jan 26, 2005
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    Not to be the preachy voice of doom, but there's some risk in ANY of the timing-belt-driven Ferrari V-8's, AFIK. There's a thread on here about a 308 timing belt-related failure and engine rebuild, and that's a close cousin to our cars. No doubt the 328 belt configuration is better than the single-belt arrangement in the 348, but it's hardly fail-proof.

    I agree that 328's seem to be sturdy cars (except for some of the ancillary bits like the window and mirror mechanisms...) Just know that if you have a timing belt/tensioner bearing failure, you will have pistons hitting valves and all that associated mess and expense.
     
  21. surfermark

    surfermark Formula Junior

    May 19, 2004
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    Mill Valley, CA
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    Mark
    Ok guys I give up here......I did my test in the name of science......worked just fine and as a result I have a lot more faith in belts than I ever used to......I would do the test again given the chance....anyway enough on this thread.....

    .......M
     

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