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1992 348 Dreded Check Engine 1-4

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  1. POLO35

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    Hey guys I've got an early model 92 348 extremely well maintained. For the 1st time ever during a moderate drive-in the Florida heat the check engine 1-4 light came on but only when getting on the throttle... normal stop and go traffic and normal driving it did not come back but it would come back every time when getting on the throttle. The car runs quite well the only issues being I recently had a hot start issue which I believe is finally resolved. I replaced the fuel pressure regulators fuel pump relays and fuel injector relays and also repacked the clutch voith so that problem seems to have at least resolved. Have had significant drivetime since performing those repairs with no check engine lights. I am in the process of trying to decipher how to read the codes..... but in the meantime I'm just wondering what the "typical" causes of this are in an otherwise perfectly running car? I did read about swapping the 02 sensor and see and if the problem follows but just thought I would post on here for some additional suggestions.
    Thanks in advance
     
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  3. ILLA NOIZ

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    As mentioned above - you can pull te ECU Codes.
    From http://www.my348.com/

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    How To Check The 348 A/F ECU Diagnostic Codes (non-Euro 348's):

    Thanks, ernie

    Remove the cover(s) behind the seats so that you have access to the ECU's.

    2) Place the key in the ignition and turn it to the (on) position, but do not start the car. You will see the two Check Engine Lights (CELs) on the instrument panel illuminated (if not, then you've got burned out or missing dash bulbs*** and can't proceed until new bulbs/LEDs are in place).

    #2a) Make sure that the transmission is not in gear. Now start the engine, and let the car idle. Wait for all the dashboard warning lights to turn off, then follow the rest of the procedure for pulling the codes.

    3) Push and hold down the button** (located next to each ECU) for 5 seconds, then release it. When you are holding down the button for those 5 seconds you now should see the dashboard check engine light illuminate for the ECU you are on (check engine light 1/4 or CEL 5/8 depending upon which ECU button you are depressing).

    **Oh, you don't have a red button?! Not all 348 models have them. You'll need to order two parts: tester cable 146196 and button 145810 thanks, stevew

    ***Oh, you've got a Euro 348 that doesn't have CEL's?! You'll need to add two bulbs under your instrument gauge console (two phillips screws to remove). This will give you the U.S. model electronic engine diagnosis functionality.

    4) When you let go of the button you will see a pause and then a long flash for 2 and 1/2 seconds, a pause with no flash for 2 and 1/2 seconds, then begin the flashes of the engine codes. The long flash indicates the beginning and end of the code. Then it repeats the same code, until you move on to the next code.

    5) Each number of the code is flashed for 1/2 second followed by a pause and then the next number in the codes is flashed. For example you will get the long flash indicating that the code will start, a pause, three flashes, pause, two flashes, pause, one flash, pause, four flashes, pause, a long flash indicating the code is finished. If this were the series of short flashes you got, the code would be 3214.

    6) After you pull a code you will notice that it just keeps repeating. To get to the next code what you want to do is wait until the long flash comes on after the code. When the long flash comes on you want to hold down the ECU button for the whole flash and let go of it in the middle of the pause. You should then see the check engine light give you another long flash to indicate the beginning of the next code.

    7) When the last codes has been pulled, you will get nothing but long flashes telling you that there are no more stored codes.

    8) Now that all the codes have been pulled you will want to clear the ECU of the stored codes. When the ECU's is giving nothing but long flashes, you need to push and hold down the ECU button for 10 seconds to clear out the old codes.

    9) If needed, repeat the process for the other A/F ECU (348's have two).

    10) The A/F ECU Codes are explained below.

    NOTE: contrary to a long-standing myth, 348's do *not* store the above trouble codes after the battery has been disconnected. 348's have a battery disconnect switch above the car battery to quickly disconnect the battery.

    Also: Euro cars *can* check these codes, however, this may require a Ferrari tool.

    NOTE 2: Our 348's store two types of errors, transient and permanent. If your CEL went out, you had a transient code. The error was recorded, but your system hasn't seen it again. The "permanent" codes will remain stored in ECU memory for 50 starts/starts of your car, even if you fix the problem (unless you clear the codes manually or disconnect the battery)."
     
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  4. POLO35

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    I will attempt this test and report back asap!
     
  5. POLO35

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    Quick question in the my 348 primer it says that sometimes a problem can be the ECU relay under the footwell and it suggests switching the relays to see if the problem follows banks..... I don't see an ECU relay listed under the footwell? Also I have not pulled the codes yet, however does anyone have a master code list explanation? Thanks in advance.
     
  6. POLO35

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    Or is it just the traditional 4 digit code stanfa4d like all other cars? I will read mine and report back ASAP just kind of jammed up this weekend.
     
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    There is a master list. Pul the codes and I'll tell you what they are. It's only a clue. Not a definitive answer.
     
  8. Ferrarium

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    Exactly depending on the code it's either specific or directional. More often directional meaning one of N number of things. But you have to have the code first.

    You can find the codes on my348.com

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  9. POLO35

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    #9 POLO35, Jun 19, 2022
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    Gentlemen, 1st of all thank you for all the excellent advice advice over the years. Happy Father's Day and there's nothing I'd rather be doing than tinkering on the Ferrari! So I read the code and it is 1113. I cleared it and then took it for another drive to repeat it and sure enough it through another 1113 code. Looks like it is throttle potentiometer? So so where do we go from here? The car runs and runs extremely well it only throws the 1-4 light on medium to hard acceleration but normal driving around it is not illuminated at all whatsoever.
     
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  10. yelcab

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    1113, throttle potentiometer. Probably the throttle plate potentiometer is out of range or broken. You need to measure its range of motion, match it to the other side and see if the values are the same. If not, you may need to replace it.
     
  11. POLO35

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    OK....well I was going to do that.... however.... I took a lazy man approach and I swapped left side to right side which required rotating the potentiometer a number of degrees to fit from the left to right side....for a test run.... no check engine lights whatsoever! I'm going to let it ride for now if it pops up again and follows to the left side then I will look into replacing it! Thanks so much for all the help!
     
  12. POLO35

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    Well on 2nd thought after checking the part number it's only a $27 part! For that price, I'm gonna replace both sides and be done with it! I'll throw the bad one out and keep the good one in the parts bin! Thank you again for the help. It's very gratifying when these troubleshooting techniques actually work. I was terrified that it was something more serious or that the car could be in jeopardy of catching on fire or blowing an engine from a lean running situation!
     
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    Good result, where did you find the parts for that price?
     
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    BOSCH: 0280122001, 0280122004, 0280122008
    FERRARI: 142434
    ALFA ROMEO: 605493590
    FIAT: 60549359 7637025
    CITROEN: 1628L1 72408124 96038938
    GM: 826924 90323839
    HYUNDAI: 3517022001 3517022010
    KIA: 0K01118911
    PEUGEOT: 1628L1 72408124 96038938
    PORSCHE: 94460611600 94460616600
    RENAULT: 7701047921
    SAAB: 885719 8857915
    SOLEX: 72408127
    VOLVO: 1336385 3450030

    The Chinese knock-offs are about $8.
     
  15. yelcab

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    Don't do the Chinese knock off.
     
  16. POLO35

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    Believe it or not Amazon....Bosch!
    0280122001 $27
     
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  17. Ferrarium

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    Most fuel, ignition parts are Bosch and if you xref the order Bosh numbers from rock auto or where ever you can get the same part as the one from Ferrari for 1/3 the cost. Ferrari Ignition and coils $750 about $600 per side from Ferrari. From Porsche reseller on ebay (same one used on 964) about $200 per side.

    Those TPS sensors from Ferrari $375. Nuts you can find them for under $30 all day

    Same goes for IAC and fuel pumps etc etc etc. Always shop for the part by part number first.
     
  18. POLO35

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    So true..... Also sometimes you're buying a new old stock part which might be 30 years old where is when you buy using the Bosch number you're getting a brand new part that hasn't been sitting on a shelf for 30 years.
     
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    $200 for the ignition coil is way too much. It is Bosch 0 221 503 407, available at some $40-50. Also made by many other manufacturers and used on many cars.

    Alfa Romeo, Audi, Citroen, Fiat, Honda, Peugeot, VW, Range Rover etc.

    HELLA 5DA 749 475-041
    BERU 0040100233, 0040100234, ZS234
    BREMI 11883
    DELPHI GN10211-12B1
    NGK U2006, 48025
    MARELLI 060810175010, BI0022MM, BAE680AG,
    Etc.....
     
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    Sorry, I overlooked. The ignitor is Bosch 0 227 100 200 (and also 201, 202, 204, 213, 215). Other brands (not knock-offs) are cheaper, $30-50:

    VALEO 245525
    BERU ZM026
    HÜCO 138401, 138402
    STANDARD LX-932
    HELLA 5DA 006 623-601
     
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    Cheers to that from the future. Tinkering on the Fcar is how I always hoped it would be. Happy Father’s Day from 2023.


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