1993 Mondial T Cabriolet Valeo Rare Chiaro blue

^^^ What he said.

Run don't walk.

 

Wow, not sold yet, and after getting a full asking price for it. I wonder what the problem is? Maybe it's because it has no records, or no known owners? I'll call you out for what you are. Just a flipper, no more no less. You have no more interest in your cars than the next dollar.

 

Bro... Stephane has a good reputation here - while I can't vouch for this car specifically, as I don't have any personal knowledge of it, I think you're a bit out of line in stating your assertions without any evidence other than "it hasn't sold yet".

If I'm wrong, I'm sure others will chime in to refute me.

 

One thing is sure, he doesn't own them for very long. Since I bought his blue sera Mondial 3.2cab less than 2 years ago I can't count how many cars he has owned and sold since. I can't say if he flips them for profit but for the price he is selling the margin can't be that much. Maybe just the thrill of owning so many exotics.

BTW I think he owned mine for less than 2 months from the paperwork I had.

 

PM sent

 

Here's my take on Scaledetails: (1) he love cars (2) he loves stuff (3) he loves sales.
We've never met, though we've spoken on the phone many times. Stephane may embrace the concept of "flip", but he does it with honor !!! I believe you'll never be lied to, by Staphane. Lying to us, would be way too costly ..............

Cheers, Hank

 

So is this car for sale? Thanks.

 

So why do you care if he flips cars? Why don't you subscribe to FChat before attacking long time members? I have had 10 Ferrari's, one each year for 10 years + the muscle cars and Porsche's I mess with. Stephan is in the same city as me, and I have only met him in person twice.

You two should get a beer together or something, as I doubt you are this confrontational with people in real life.

PS: I DO flip cars for fun and profit, and guns and vintage guitars:

jealous much?

 

I am 50 years old and have owned (at last count) over 70 cars. That includes a double digit number of Porsches. Am I flipper? By no means. Cars are my vice.... I don't smoke, rarely drink and being twice divorced I now spend my money on what I want when I want.

Maybe Stephane is a flipper. Or, just maybe, he enjoys buying cars, driving them for a while, then passing them on. I can certainly think of worse ways to spend money.

Either way, from what I have seen the cars he offers are nice, the prices are very fair, and from the feedback on the forum he is an honest seller.

 

Yikes, Bill.

As DesertDawg said, if you lodge an allegation like that about both a person and the car on offer then you had better bring your evidence to the table if you want to be taken seriously. Stephane has an excellent reputation and is well-known for both the variety of his exotic choices and for reasonable sales to other members. Until such evidence is presented to prove otherwise, I am personally inclined to trust his presentation of the car as honest, accurate, and complete.

All the best,
Andrew.

 

OK guys! I didn't want to get involved here but with this last statement I couldn't stay quiet. I really don't like to say negative things about people and Stephane is a member that seem to have respect.

I bought a car from him and in my opinion the above sentence was too much for me. I'm not saying Stephane is not a good person and can't be trusted. The car he sold me was a good car that I enjoyed and loved.

But frankly his way of describing a car and mine are different. I would not say the last words did fit with MY purchase.

Now I know I've opened a can of worms and Stephane may react toward me but I can stand it.

 

I don't think it's fair to attack Stephane, with the understanding that this section is about selling cars, and unless a warranty is included, it is 100% on the Buyer to do his due diligence and make an educated decision.

I understand his passion for cars but I do believe Stephane is human
and can make mistakes too. He is here to sell a car. I inquired about the car and I would say that it is a "potential" mess, with little history, records, or even personal ownership experience from which to make an educated decision. I feel the listing points out the best in the car, not the worst but the rest is up to the Buyer to find out. It may be a deal, it may be a financial nightmare. He mentioned what it was advertised for prior to his purchase, I don't care about that, and comments about breaking even don't mean a thing to me because there is no way to prove it and it's not relative to what it is worth today on the open market. My highest respect goes out to the members who take the time to list the bad and the unknown with great detail, some honest sellers have done that on this forum and they earn my full trust and willingness to take a chance. This car is for someone who likes to take risks. May be a great car at a great price, or maybe not. Either way, GLWS.

 

IIRC, this Mondial came out of Arizona, yes? If so, I sold the owner (at the time) my blue 456GT, and he was selling his Mondial. I would have given him a trade in credit, but he wanted (at the time) more for the Mondial than I was selling my 456 for.

Perfect color and I want a transmission of the Valeo variety...afraid if I buy this car wife will divorce m.

 

As someone who sold over 35 corvettes and trans ams during the late 80's and early 90's muscle car craze, I can somewhat speak to the attention (good and bad) that someone who sells (flips) cars of a particular breed gets over time. We are always a good resource for car availability and price action and can gather a certain reputation based on past sales experiences (good and bad). IMO, certain negative reactions can sometimes be traced to past buyers getting past themselves and caught up in the purchase itself and not performing an appropriate self examination of the potential car. Not always. Sellers describe cars (opinion) and buyers hear what they want (sometimes). It is the buyers responsibility to determine truth from opinion.

I don't know Stephane so I cannot speak to this particular situation.

 

HEhEhEhEh ............. the wheels are turning now - - keep fingers and toes clear !!!

Brian, it's Xmas time. Time to buy the little lady of your dreams, a gift of her dreams. Then, go get yourself one too !!!

Cheers & Happy Holidays,

Hank

I'm dying to see how this all pans out ...................

 

Well and the price being asked for is less than the Mercedes GL she got in July! Stop tempting me Hank!

 

And my full price plus offer had conditions attached. I had offered one of two cars of greater value in exchange. So it wasn't a straight up cash deal, or this would be mine now.

Stephane said he needs space. So my car swap wasn't going to work.


I am putting every penny into the company I am about to launch right now. This car was to be a gift as part of that launch.

 

Hi - - Step back to (even before) 1992. Both sides of F1 shifting had not yet even been revealed to the public. Valeo + Lancia Group B world off road team + Ferrari (do the research), gave us the first half of F1 shifting. Clutch actuation was done for us (on demand). When I want to shift, the clutch is operated as if it were a robot controlled by my thoughts (in under 100 ms).

To answer your question regarding the low numbers of these cars ordered with the Valeo clutch system: unfamiliarity, fear, doubt and (this one still continues) the blind eye and a wall of inflexibility.

gaspump, when I started my search (for something that had more room than a 348) - I didn't know a 3.2 from a "t". And just what the hell was this Valaaaho thing!!!! ?? Well, I learned - - and 9 years later, I love it more than I did in year one!! It truly is the best of both worlds.

Do the homework before you jump into a lake filled with some very funny looking and acting fish. And then, when your $pump starts to flow the purchase price, it will be focused - and will culminate with a happy gaspump
!!

Cheers, Hank

 

It's really hard to understand why this car is not sold yet. For a T it is cheap. Mileage is not too high. Valeo is extremely rare. The color combo can't be better (IMHO). Hank is here to testify these cars are dependable.
Honestly if I could afford it right now I would really be there to look at it. No matter history or not. If the car is up to your expectation after inspection go for it.