1994 PORSCHE 911 3.6 TURBO "S" FLAT NOSE

Better yet it has its own website: www.flachbau.com

 

Perfect color on a perfect car!
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Wow, that pearl white looks fantastic.

Suits the Slantnose well.

 

the gentleman who owns the Pearl white S also owns this one now.
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hey dudes. happy turkey day. eat well, get fat, burn it off tomorrow!!!

anyway, i've had 4 of the flatnoses in the last year or so. crazy nice car. crazy. was foolish and sold the pearl, a black and a red one....but just bought DDavis's red. you can find some photos of them up on my photo site, www.911flatnose.com
incredible machines...

i believe Mark who runs the flachbau site is selling his flatnose......money in the bank, probably the only car i've also been able to sell for more when the time came....idiota!!!

 

I sold those for at the dealer when they were new.

It is the best looking and rarest 911 turbo money can buy.

 

I sold mine in 03 at a loss, if only I'd hung on to it 4 more years...

 

Nice looking turbos and that orange slantnose in the last picture looks wicked.

 

you should give that red car back to DDavis,being the nice guy that you are!

 

The Pearl White paint was a problem for Porsche. For emissions reasons the government only allowed Porsche to paint a very few (less than 10?) in that color per year.
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There was no limit as to the number of pearlescent cars imposed by anyone, just by the size of your wallet.........

Doing the pearlescent finish presented a very minor chemical emission problem that could not be managed on the standard production line per say, which meant a simple logistical problem of having to do the car by hand, in a paint booth specifially for that job.......which is why Porsche discouraged it by charging $15K IIRC for it back then.

FWIW "sonderwunsch" became "Porsche Exclusiv" in 1991 or 92........the name it still carries today

 

Hot looking cars but at certain angles they look just a touch short.

 

Help me out on this one. I have seen my share of 'slant-nose' cars, some even in cabrio form, over the years. Those look a little too boy-racer, and dated, to my eyes- pop-up headlights, slots over the rear fender air intakes, etc.
But the 'flatnose' shown in some of these pics is, to my eye, far easier to look at; in doing a little web research, it appears that some of the cars-- Japanese market ones, for example-- resemble the 'slantnose' cars mentioned above, and others look more like the white pearl car shown in the link. So, two questions: what's the difference, if any between the slantnose I am somewhat familiar with, and the 'flatnosed' cars shown here? Second, what is the market range for the flatnosed cars these days?
(And, finally, as a bonus question, there was a guy in Connecticut who sold used P cars, and had a terribly slow website- had some nice cars, though. Anyone know who I'm talking about?)
Thanks, all.

 

let me take a shot at it since i've had about 4 of them in the last 2 years, i think about 15% of the US market.
- some dudes love the looks of the flatnose, others not so much. i personally just love it to death. not sure i would want it as a daily driver, but in person, they are exceptional. the lines and curves are pure 964 and that flatnose just sets it off perfectly. i rarely drive at night, let alone drive my cars at night, so the pop up lenses dont bother me, and they are qwerky for sure, but neat.

what really sets the 964 Turbo S off is the driving. the thing is an animal. its not like a 993 or 997 Turbo, its not "refined". its a full on beast of mega proportions and i have a few of that kind of car. that 964Ts is one of my favorites. approachable, but you drop the hammer in 2nd or 3rd and you'll have insta-grin syndrome.

that waste gate opens at full throttle and its amazing tones that fill the air. as good if not better than my CGT.

as far as differences between the slantnoses and the flatnoses, i really dont know. i know the 930s didnt have the curves and roundish stuff that made the 964s and then the 993s so beloved. i like the 930s, they look pretty boss, i just havent had the occassion to own a good one just yet.

as far as pricing on flatnoses...the problem is two fold..a) there are almost never any available. i think there were 5 total transactions in the last 2 years, i was at the center of 4 of them. foolish me. i think only 39 turbos S's were made, 22 flatnoses , 17 nonflatnose S "package cars". Ray @ RPM has a flatnose. he wants 215k for the car and has turned down 200ish. i would say the market could be 150 to 250k depending on model, conditions. i've seen worse ones offered for less and not sell.
you gotta find someone foolish enough to sell one, and then come to terms. not enough market ticks, transactions, to determine the market on it. if i wan tot sell mine, i can guarantee i'd have 2,3,4 buyers killing for my red car, and it woul dprobably get 150 to 220k. most likely id sell to a buddy at a fair, below market price, same as the way Don hooked me up when he sold it to me. mainly, it probably stays within a circle of buddies who would be the first guys i would approach.

that flachbau.com website is a great place to find out more info and to find out when they come available, if at all.

 

Here you go Bill.......

http://www.flachbau.com/X83-Japan.html

I aw the red car at Ray's place back in June.......they are incredible to look at in person.

 

many thanks for the comprehensive response, spg. are you a civilian, or a dealer?

 

Thanks, KDS. Your link goes to the japanese market version of the 'flatnose,' which, to me, looks like what i've seen in the states as a 'slantnose.'
My question is what the differences are?
Also, am i wrong that the slantnose was made as a cabrio, or was one of the cars I saw locally a 'frankencar'?

BTW, I don't see the flatnose on ray's site.

 

some of the 'slantnose' cars are 930, not 964. Right?

 

Right.

 

Bill....

The 930 slantnose was basically the same worldwide. A 930 slantnose cabrio was also produced near the end of the model run, as were a handfull of targa versions.

As the flachbau site shows, the 964 was slightly different for the various markets.

As to what are the differences between a 930 and a 964 Turbo S.......

http://www.performance2and4.co.uk/

In a nutshell Porsche claims 85% of the parts are different.......

 

That car mentioned, I saw the mentioned car at the dealer in person few years ago when I was searching for this exclusive model. (Only ten cars were made for the Japan market so there wasn't much to choose from at all). This particular car was not in a good condition when I saw it, thus I walked away. Fortunately, I was able to locate another one soon, which I purchased and is still under my care. I would be happy to answer any questions that I can answer if there's any. I have posted few pics in another post. w/ smiles Jimmy

 

Bonus points for - Richard Sloan at http://www.sloancars.com/vs1/default1.asp

You're right about the site, but thankfully it appears he has a new one coming. He has one 964 Turbo S, but with a standard front end.

 

full civilian. not a dealer. no good money in that neck of the woods, and my boss pays me well enough.
i have that traders mentality i guess you'd say.

 

Thanks again to all for answering my questions, and a special shout out to Prancing 12 for the Sloan site reference, the memory gap on which had been driving me crazy.