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  1. alberto

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    The original Sony XTC-F10 radio/disk controller on my car is in poor shape, both operationally and cosmetically. I took out the unit and it is about 1 5/8 inch deep so as not to hit the center tunnel and transmission. Does not look easy to me to find a drop in replacement.

    Has anyone found a suitable, drop in replacement? If not, what have others done to replace the stereo head unit? Does anyone know if Sony reconditions these units and at what price?

    Thanks.
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  3. oss117

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    Alberto, the original radio of the 456 GT should have been a Becker, coupled to a Sony 10 disc changer.
    You may replace it with another Becker (Ricambi America may be able to help you) or you may look into the Crutchfield online catalog.
     
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    I think earlier years up to like 98 or 99 was with sony one.

    same for 550 I think.
     
  5. alberto

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    Thank you both. I am pretty sure that the radio is a sony because the controls look like the sony radios of the era and sony made a model version designated XTC-F10 which is what is on the face plate of the radio. I could be wrong since I cannot find an actual picture from Sony showing the radio, but I believe it is a sony. I suppose it does not matter much anyway, unless I try to get it fixed. I'd rather replace it with a new unit with bluetooth.

    I looked at Crutchfield online but they don't seem to have anything that will fit. I called Ricambi and the quote for a replacement was something like $1800, so that's not going to happen. Any other suggestions?
     
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    I replaced my 456 radio with a Becker Cascade in Ferrari design.
    I now have navi, telephone, radio,CD and MP3.
    Fantastic piece of equipment.
     
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  8. alberto

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    What year is your 456? Do all of the 456 have the same clearance?
     
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    Mine is from 1999. But the radio slot in both 456 models is conforming to DIN, so clearance should be the same.
     
  10. alberto

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    I called Crutchfield (a US supplier of car stereos). Not luck with them, they do not have anything that fits. Although the opening is conforming to DIN in height and width, definitely the depth does not on the 95 456, as I mentioned it is under 2 inches in depth so not does not match "normal" DIN depth.
     
  11. k-diddy

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    1995 456 had a much different radio system. There was a control unit that was din in size but about 1/2 deep. It had another master box in the trunk on the drivers side along with a 10 disc cd changer. Upgrade is not as easy as 123 like it is in the 550-575 or 1999 and up 456. You can do it just dont go to the local guy to figure it out.
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  13. alberto

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    Kevin:

    What is the solution?
     
  14. Mr Mezzanotte

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    #11 Mr Mezzanotte, Jul 13, 2007
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    456M's had a normal depth head unit in front of the gear stick,
    Pre-M's (456s) had a Sony head unit - see attached pic.
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  15. Mr Mezzanotte

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    #12 Mr Mezzanotte, Jul 13, 2007
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    here's a picture of the actual head unit showing how thin it is.

    If anyone knows of an upgrade/replacement I for one would like to know...
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  16. dsd

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    Mr Mezz can you show that interior pic but about 3 inches more below the radio.

    Is there 1DIN or 2DIN?

    What you could do is trunk mount a unit and get a 1 or 2 DIN touchscreen controller.

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    Another option is to find a stereo repair place. There are a lot of good ones out there.

    -dsd
     
  18. alberto

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    Yep, that's essentially what mine looks like, except for the US market.


    This is what I have been looking for on the internet, but have had little luck. Any specific suggestions as to brand, model, etc?


    This is my fall back position. Any specific shop suggestions to get it repaired? I found a few online, but don't know which ones are good/bad.

    Any help is greatly appreciated, clearly I am not the only one in this predicament.

    I intend to swing by an audio shop soon and see what they suggest, but I'd rather do my own work or at least do my own research on options so I know what is available/desirable.

    Thanks.
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    I found a local (San Diego) technician that can rebuild the radio head unit. He quoted me $170 or so. Not sure how it will turn out. I can report back if anyone is interested.
     
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    Update: This fellow http://www.radiomanrepair.com/ repaired the radio on the 456 for just under $170. The unit now functions properly. For anyone considering reparing their radio unit, be aware that he indicated that Sony no longer makes replacement parts for these radios.

    I am now considering upgrading the speakers on the car. Anyone know what size the door speakers are by chance?

    Alberto
     
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    Alberto,
    Good to hear that your radio is working again.
    Do you also want to install a proper amplifier, or just new speakers?
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    I am likely to install only new speakers. Mostly because of the proprietary Sony cabling in the car, it looks to me like I would have to replace most if not all of the system just to upgrade the amplifier. I don't want to spend that much on the stereo. I suspect that the quality of the equipment is pretty good, it's just that the speakers are holding it all back. We'll see when I change the speakers.

    Alberto
     
  23. markbnj

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    This outfit did an excellent job on my Mercedes radio. Good, cheap, fast. They seem to know foreign makes very well. Good luck.

    http://www.carstereohelp.com/
     
  24. godzilla

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    The 1995 456 I've just bought has the same Sony and whilst it works, the display is completely blank!

    The instructions mention taking the face plate off and cleaning the connectors, but I can't find a release button anywhere.
    Does anyone here know?
     
  25. alberto

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    You need to go to Kragen or some other local autoparts place. Pick up a set of Ford stereo removal tools. They will cost about $4. They are a pair of U shaped wires with an arrow looking end on each. Push these into the two holes on the left and right side of the stereo and pull up. The unit should come out. Then simply unplug the single wire on the back. It is very simple once you have the correct tool (like many things in life).

    Alberto
     
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    Ah, ok thanks! I thought the unit had a removable face plate as that is what the instruction manual implies, but I think you're right.
     
  27. AJTozzi

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    Any GOOD car audio shop can remote mount a faceplate in the area and put the chasiss (CD transport part) of the radio in a remote location. I did one about 3 years ago -- a Pioneer I believe. Me put the chassis under the passenger seat in a fabricated ABS "box" and the client used a 6 disc changer that was mounted where the factory changer is located.

    I can't remember the speaker sizes -- though 5.25" rings a bell. I reccomend find a good shop in your area (where are you located?) to work with. The speakers requires a lot of disassembly if I remember correctly.

    Anthony
     
  28. Mr Mezzanotte

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    #25 Mr Mezzanotte, Oct 22, 2008
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    001 COMPACT DISC PLAYER
    002 TUNER AMPLIFIER
    002 TUNER AMPLIFIER
    003 AMPLIFIER
    004 BRACKETS ASSEMBLY ...
    004 BRACKETS ASSEMBLY ...
    005 SPACER
    006 WASHER
    007 NUT
    008 BLOCK
    009 BLOCK
    010 NUT
    011 WASHER
    012 SCREW
    013 NUT
    014 CAR RADIO ANTENNA PRE-AMPLIFIER
    015 WASHER
    016 WASHER
    017 SCREW
    017 SCREW
    018 WASHER
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    019 ANTENNA COAXIAL CABLE
     

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