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1995 F35 smokes on excerleration

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  1. lotusdude

    lotusdude Karting

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    Anyone have any insight into why my f355 is producing white smoke when I excelerate , wanted to know if anybody else had this problem. It just had a compression test and it was perfect nothing off friday, and it is running rich but the engine is purring perfectly.If anyone can help please let me know, also has any body had a bad experience with the airconditioning just not working and also causing the fuel gauge to cut out ?? I got problems!!!! thanks,
    -jake
     
  2. ferrariblue

    ferrariblue Formula Junior

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    Check the oil level. Is it over-filled? White smoke usually means oil burning off somewhere. Not sure how to answer your fuel guage issue.

    C-
     
  3. WJHMH

    WJHMH Two Time F1 World Champ
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    If your overfilled with oil the it will draw into the intake manifold resulting in your smoke cloud, this will also damage the head gasket if not addressed quickly.
     
  4. MOSS

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    White smoke is generally water/antifreeze burning in the combustion chambers. Head gasket leaking.
    Compression check may still yield good numbers at cranking speed. Check you coolant level and
    monitor it. Blue smoke = oil burning
     
  5. lotusdude

    lotusdude Karting

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    taking it in on wednesday, everybody pray for me!!! DAMNT!! Hopefully just an overflow of the oil but its been running for 20+ minutes and I have been monitoring the oil and coolant and cant tell a difference. Thanks everybody, just hope it makes it to FOD.
     
  6. lotusdude

    lotusdude Karting

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    Have another idea you guys let me know what you think. The 355 is running rich, wander if an oxygen sensor is out on the cat which would be causing this smoking effect when you let off the excelerator at high rpm's. When o2 sensors go out do they sometimes not code on the 5.2?
     
  7. 285ferrari

    285ferrari Two Time F1 World Champ
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    I don't see an O2 sensor causing the car to smoke....
     
  8. lotusdude

    lotusdude Karting

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    still dont get it, it purrs like a kitten and screams like a banshee but that damn white smoke comes out whenever I let off the excelerator at around 7k rpm in a pretty good cloud and then back to nothing. Another observation, cannot tell if its got enough oil or not. I properly let it warm up, waited till it got to normal op temp and checked it while it was running and when I shut it off , several times. If it's a blown head gasket then it's the damndest thing I have ever seen because it sure doesn't act like one. White smoke, gas gauge is not working, ac and interior climate control is not responding! Why cant this just happen slowly over time and not all at once!!!!!!!!
     
  9. Steve Magnusson

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    #9 Steve Magnusson, Nov 11, 2008
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    Your posts seem a little confusing/contradictory. Do you get the smoke under acceleration -- i.e., large throttle opening under heavy load with RPM increasing (which is how you titled the thread) or deceleration -- i.e., closed throttle at high falling RPM under no load (which is what you just described)?
     
  10. agup48

    agup48 Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Sorry for a minor hijack, but for lawnmowers, I had his problem..overfilling it with oil or something, it causes white smoke, with a very small blue tint. Is this the same thing?
     
  11. AnotherDunneDeal

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    #11 AnotherDunneDeal, Nov 11, 2008
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    355? Worn valve guides....common problem for pre '97 models...check it out......What year model is yours?
     
  12. MOSS

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    If it was a head gasket leaking antifreeze it would do it at idle as well. I go with the valve guide issue.
     
  13. lotusdude

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    It is a 95, It happens with high falling RPM under no load. What is the valve guide issue? thanks for all of your help guys.
    -Jake
     
  14. Steve Magnusson

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    #14 Steve Magnusson, Nov 12, 2008
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    Ok, that's more clear. If the valve guide wears significantly (so the physical clearance between the valve stem OD and the valve guide ID becomes large), this can allow oil to be sucked into the combustion chamber under heavy engine deceleration (because the vacuum inside the cylinder goes very high during the intake stroke since the throttle is closed). Initially, it doesn't show up as a performance problem because the valve head can still be sealing fairly well on the valve seat; however, once the valve guide wear gets really excessive, the valve head (being off-axis from the seat due to the valve guide wear) will "crash" into the valve seat during the closing action and damage itself, or the seat, enough that it will hurt performance and/or be detectable as bad compression or bad leakdown (or the valve head may break off and cause even more damage).

    As has already been mentioned, you need to ensure that some other factor isn't causing oil (being overfull) or coolant (a head gasket leak) to get into the combustion chamber, but once you've ruled those out, there isn't much else to blame except the valve guides. Try a search on "355 valve guide wear" -- should get you a lot of prior discussion/explanation.
     
  15. wax

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    Even in Tejas, "accelerate" is only pronounced "excelerate"...
     
  16. lotusdude

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    never could spell !! hahaha ak-sell-er-8, thanks again guys, the 355 just went in to boardwalk and they are testing it today so I should have some clearer answers later today or tommorow. Hope its just an overfill but not getting my hopes up.
     
  17. AnotherDunneDeal

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    Jake,

    Is Steve Smith looking at your car? He has done a ton of '95 355 valve guides. It was a known problem up through '97 or '98. I believe there was a recall on it back then. If Steve is working on it, tell him I said hello. I worked at FoD with him for 3 years, both at the old location on 75 in Richardson and the new store in Plano. Tell Danny in parts he needs to get to work and tell him I said so..............
     
  18. lotusdude

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    Dropped it off with Larry and Memo in the service department, they didn't have any clear answers, basically like a doctor at a cancer clinic, they might know the diagnosis, but they want to ease you into it, so you dont flip the F&^% out!!! lolol
     
  19. AnotherDunneDeal

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    That is the normal method. No need to trial and error it if they can identify it exactly. My bet is on the valve guides knowing the history of them........hope it turns out well for you....
     
  20. stewf

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    Steve is no longer employed at Boardwalk, Danny is still here, though.
     
  21. AnotherDunneDeal

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    Where did Steve go? I know Mike is at Lambo but I have not been to Boardwalk in a while so I am behind on keeping up with them.
     
  22. AnotherDunneDeal

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    While there you might have them check out the exhaust manifolds. They had huge problems with the '95 355 ones and replaced many of them. It would have nothing to do with your white smoke issue but it is something to watch. They may have been replaced by a previous owner before you go it.
     
  23. MOSS

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    Hope it works out to be the cheaper. I dont know of a better tech than Micheal L.
     
  24. stewf

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    Steve went north to play with race cars, Mike works with us on our Challenge team, and we have some pretty good techs to keep those poni- no, that's James' line - we do pretty good...
     
  25. AnotherDunneDeal

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    Both Steve Smith and Mike Luongo were great Challenge techs while with FoD. FoH/FoD had a very, very strong team during that time..........Doc Earle, Kevin Crowder, Bill Rand, Paul Frame and a whole host of others at the same time. Those were the daysss...
     

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