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1998 550 Maranello "sorting" thread--DIY

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  1. moorfan

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    #776 moorfan, Apr 19, 2015
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    I decided to replace the timing gear stabilizer bearings, which are pressed into the block. They didn't seem to have anything wrong with them but the new ones are cheap so I went ahead.

    Slide hammer removal was talked about for removing these once, and it doesn't work with the engine in the car. Even if the engine is out it won't be easy because there is very little clearance behind the inner race of the bearing to slip a blind hole bearing puller collet.

    Again, the Draper bearing removal tool for the front cover works here magnificently. Made quick work of removing these bearings (Photo 1)

    New bearings were chilled with freeze spray, and the seats coated with engine oil. Then they were gently tapped in place using a bearing seat tool (Photo 2)

    The old bearings, which were likely put in the engine in 1997 at the time of manufacture, looked perfect (Photo 3)
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  2. moorfan

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    #777 moorfan, Apr 19, 2015
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    I wanted to get a good look at the front oil pump shaft bearing. Bradan found a 550 recently that had one of these bearings fail, locking the oil pump and fouling the engine due to oil starvation.

    Mine looks as good as I can guess it should, and it spins easily and freely. No play in the shaft. (Photo 1)
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    #778 moorfan, Apr 19, 2015
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    Now for the step I have been dreading for a while...replacing this timing cover in such a way that it won't leak again.

    Step one was to clean both mating surfaces of the timing cover with acetone. Like four times for each mating surface. (Photo 1)

    I decided to use Loctite 518 anaerobic on the recommendation of Brian Crall and Bradan in various prior threads. Smear a very thin layer of this stuff on the entire mating surface (Photo 2)

    Apply the gasket onto the engine. Do not press it into place, just get it approximately to the location it should be. (Photo 3)
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    #779 moorfan, Apr 19, 2015
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    Once this was done, I smeared a similar thin layer of 518 on the cover, and proceeded to place the cover over the crank into position. This is a complicated endeavor that I found best done while sitting under the car. I held the two timing shafts and cover in my left hand, and had the oil pump sprocket in my right hand as I threaded everything into position. Take care not to touch either mating surface as you do so. Once it was all in general place, with the oil pump chain properly threaded into it's tensioner track, I took a rubber mallet and gently tapped the timing gear shafts in an alternating fashion and the cover easily seated once the gears meshed with the crank. It was far easier than I thought.

    There are no pictures of this step for obvious reasons, but take your time, think about the parts and how they fit together, and it will be easy!

    Now that the cover is in place the oil pump cover can be replaced the same way using sealant and OEM gasket.
    Crank seal was tapped into place using a length of PVC pipe after coating the inner race of the seal with a thin layer of engine oil. (Photo 1)

    All done. (Photo 2)
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  5. gsjohnson

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    Pete-What size is the PCV pipe you used? OD & ID?
     
  6. dersark_painclinic

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    Pete, any improvement after replacing wobbly bearings.
     
  7. moorfan

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    GS- I believe it's 2 inch PVC. I will check.

    Sark- the play that I demonstrated in the timing gear in my video is gone. There is a TINY amount of wobble in each gear shaft with the cover off without the gears engaged, but you really have to look hard to see it.

    Once the cover is in place there is absolutely no play. Being that the back of those shafts is seated in the rear bearing and the gears are meshed with the crankshaft when the cover is installed, I imagine if you can wiggle the shafts with the timing cover in place then your timing system must be seriously fouled up. Like all of the balls missing from the bearing :)
     
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    #784 moorfan, Apr 20, 2015
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    It has come time to remove my cams to check lifters and replace seals.
    I was lucky enough to be made aware of a great new set of tools for removing and replacing the cams that allows you to do this task without the cams moving from their assembly marks. As those of you who have done this before without the tool, the cams do not sit flat in their journals with the assembly marks exactly lined up. Removing cams would result in them "snapping" out at you as the valve springs forced the cam into a different orientation as soon as the caps are loosened, and replacing them carried the risk of bending the valves unless you had a herculean grip on the cam at all times. Difficult to do with a lubed shaft.

    Enter the geniuses at Maranello Skunk Works, Dave Burch and John Cribb. They invented what you are about to see:

    Three bars of aluminum, machined precisely to fit IN BETWEEN a set of cam lobes are placed down on the cams when they are still fastened in the head. Each one is fastened down by a threaded bolt that is designed to be screwed into the corresponding spark plug well to where the bar is pressed firmly against each cam. One of these three bars also has spots for two cable clamps, which hold each cam in a fixed position. When everything is applied, it looks like this (Photo 1)

    Once the apparatus is in place, you remove all 28 cam cap nuts, washers, and all 14 cam caps, remembering to arrange them in correct order when you set them aside (Photo 2)

    At this point, both cams are held down in their journals by the three through bolts in the aluminum bars. You then back the nut on the through bolt back one turn at a time, distributing the "loosening" evenly between all three bars. For example turn the middle nut one revolution, then the back one, then the front one, back to the middle one, etc. (Photo 3)
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    #785 moorfan, Apr 20, 2015
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    Once all three nuts are loosened to the point where the cams have uniformly risen off the lifters, you can remove the front and back bars and then lift both cams out at the same time. The worm clamps on the middle bar hold the cams fast and prevented them from rotating at all as they were removed. Voila! (Photo 1)

    At this point I was able to fully disassemble the cam assemblies and lay them out in an orderly fashion for retrieval later. Note that I marked the dowel location in both the cam gears and the cam itself for easy reassembly. Should save some time later when I degree the cams. (Photo 2)

    I was then able to inspect all 48 of my lifters. All of them were rock hard and incompressible except ONE, which had about a millimeter or two of "spring" to it when pressed down. Luckily, I had a replacement lifter in my cabinet.
    I noticed a few lifters with circular marks on them. These lifters of course can rotate freely in their seats, and I am guessing that a little fleck of contamination pinned between the cam lobe and the lifter can mark it like this. I inspected each cam lobe for the corresponding marked lifter and found nothing of note really. Lobes were smooth and shiny. (Photo 3)
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  11. MogulBoy

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    Nicely done!
     
  12. Cribbj

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    Pete, thanks for the kind words and we're glad the tools worked well for you. The inspiration for these clamps came last year when I was removing my cams and the front end of the intake cam on the right bank popped up on me, driving the rear end down, and I thought I'd bent a valve or two on the #6 cylinder. (Fortunately it wasn't bent). After that incident, I decided it was BS to try and remove cams without some sort of holding fixture, so I designed and built these clamps.

    Then, late one night, and over a bottle (or three) of Merlot a couple of weeks ago when Dave came to TX for a visit, we were brainstorming a way to implement an anti-rotate device, and he came up with the brilliant idea of slotting these clamps and using radiator worm clamps to grip the cams.

    As you all can see, these are very simple tools, but also very effective. They're fairly expensive to build, so we don't intend to sell them unless someone is willing to pay us a stupid amount of money :), but the designs are there for anyone to copy & reuse.

    BTW, the anti-rotate feature is only intended to keep the cams from rotating as you're taking them out, or putting them in. It's not strong enough to resist an impact gun if you forgot to loosen the front sprockets before removing the timing belt :), but we're working on an idea for another fixture to immobilise the cams and sprockets so you can loosen (or tighten) the cam bolts without the cams shifting position.
     
  13. moorfan

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    You know John I wasn't even worried about that. I removed the cams with the sprockets still attached and sprocket bolt torqued. Once the cam was on the workbench I was able to grip it in one gloved hand and use a milwaukee electric impact to remove each sprocket bolt. Easy peasy.

    I'm going to experiment a bit with the electric impact and the cam holding tool for torquing the bolt when I reassemble. I will advise.
     
  14. Cribbj

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    Pete, that's what I did as well - it's really not necessary to loosen them on the engine. Now tightening those bolts is another story.......

    BTW, when you reassemble, be sure and point out & take pics of how the front cam seal covers (P/N's 148022) are clocked so their drain holes line up properly with the oil drain holes in the heads. Small, but important point that I'm sure some of us are not aware of.
     
  15. tazandjan

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    John- Very ingenious fixture. My techs tell me it is much harder to do a complete belt change and cam timing in a 575M than a 550 (more to remove), but I am not sure they factored in not having to remove the cams to change the cam seals. Your fixture would make that much easier. Probably even more important, it nearly eliminates the possibility of an amateur bending valves during cam installation.
     
  16. moorfan

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    John,
    Post #274 in this thread :)
     
  17. gsjohnson

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    This thread has been invaluable to me as I go through this process with my Yelo Hot Rod. It has saved me from asking all kinds of dumb ass questions... :)
     
  18. Cribbj

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    Jeez, you're good! :)
     
  19. moorfan

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    #794 moorfan, Apr 21, 2015
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    Now that the cams are out this is the easiest time to perform a leakdown test, except of course for the fact that the engine is stone cold. No need to move each cylinder to TDC.
    Intake is off with intake ports sealed shut with painters tape.

    Using my OTC cylinder leakdown set, I began my testing.
    I was amazed at how good everything looked. The highest leak cylinder on bank 1-6 was number 4, at 3.4% (Photo 1)

    Everything was fine until the last cylinder I checked, which was number 7. When I hooked up the tester the painter's tape over the intake port popped open and there was an air leak. This is what I got on the gauge (Photo 2)

    So this is my final leakdown sheet (Photo 3)

    Even with the intake valve bleeding air, cylinder 7 is still at 9.3% leak. I am NOT inclined to pull the whole damn head for what is probably one small valve leak, in an otherwise perfectly running car.

    But I want other opinions :)
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  20. fatbillybob

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    Nice time saving tool! The only problem is it takes longer to make the tool than do the job the laborious slow careful way.

    Pete can you show more detail of the center bar with the towers on it? Are those towers floating held by the band clamp?
     
  21. Cribbj

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    Pete, maybe some carbon keeping the valve from seating? If that's the only cylinder with that much leakage, I wouldn't think it would be guides. Still, I'd be happy with 9% and put it back together. My problem cylinders showed 18-22%, IIRC, which is why I decided to pull the heads.

    How do the intake ports look? Are they carboned/coked up?

    True dat, but you only have to make the tools once :)
     
  22. moorfan

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    John,
    It is entirely possible. When I looked at all of the intake ports there were some that were coked and most were okay. I didn't climb into the engine bay to peer down specifically at those two intake valves last night but I will do that today. Stay tuned.

    I think pulling a head is well beyond my capacity and that I run the risk of creating a much bigger issue with head gasket leaks by pulling it.
     
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    #798 moorfan, Apr 22, 2015
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    Thought I would get a look at the intake valves of cylinder 7, which was my problem intake on leakdown testing. This is what the valves look like. (Photo 1 and 2) Pretty coked up, and that crud down there is hard stuff. Therefore, I am presuming that the valves may not be closing properly leading to my leakdown issue. The answer is going to be for me to reassemble the motor and run it REALLY HARD for a while with some Techron I think :)

    I will now begin to reassemble the timing system. I have a more precise way to localize TDC now, which I assembled from odds and ends parts I found in my garage and on eBay. Essentially this is a poor man's copy of Paul Hill's excellent tool for this job. This dial gauge screws into the spark plug hole and offers a very precise way to localize TDC. (Photo 3).
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  24. tazandjan

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    Pete- That gets it up there where you can see it pretty well. Trying to remember if you had a really big degree wheel.

    Wonder if there is any way to get rid of the carbon without getting it into the engine other than an Italian tune-up?
     
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    #800 fatbillybob, Apr 23, 2015
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    Yes Taz there are 2 ways to get rid of the carbon at this point. One way is to use Gumout carb and choke cleaner sprayed right on the back of the valves. You can see if you can puddle the cleaner here. puddling the cleaner will do 2 things. 1st it will tell you if the lack of seal in on the intake or the exhaust side. Depending on the level of seal you get here may sway your method of removal. 2nd it will soften the carbon and allow you to physically scrape it off with small tools that you can reach into the bore with. Scraping takes time but it can be done this way. The second way to get the carbon off is to use a standard reducer tip on your shop vac that just happens to fit our bores perfectly. Then spray in walnut shell as you suck the bore and it will clean up the valves in about 10 seconds. Then use your shop air sprayed into the bore as you shop vac it out and 100% of the shell residue will be removed. Absolutely zero gets into the motor this way.

    walnut shell get at harbor freight and tool use the fine grit
    sand blaster get at harbor freight. The long nose is a piece of straight steel brake line. Flare one end with a flare tool and it fits inside the HFT nozzle perfectly so you can direct the walnut shell where you want it. "Ridgid" Shop vac hose are large or small. Most vac come with big 2.5" or so hoses. The standard 1.25" or so reducer is rubberized so it fits perfect in the bore. Suction with the vac while spraying shell is so good that the shell residue does not blow out all over the place. The operation is totally clean.
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