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1998 Compression Test Results

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  1. WATSON

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    My car is a driver. It is not a garage queen. She has seen 12,000 miles in the last four years and is in for it's major. The engine will be out and on the table tomorrow afternoon...a leakdown will be done, but it will be done cold.

    On a warmed engine, here is what I got on a 31,000 mile car:

    1 = 190
    2 = 185
    3 = 180
    4 = 180
    5 = 170
    6 = 170
    7 = 175
    8 = 180

    I'll share leakdown numbers when I get them....

    Yea, yea, some of you guys have 200+ compressions and good on you....but this is what I have.

    Thoughts?
     
  2. Eric C

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    You're fine.

    As a general rule a compression of 135 PSI or better is excellent, and a compression of 85 PSI or lower is extremely bad.

    The most desirable situation is that all cylinders give the same or close to the same reading, and that reading is above 135 PSI. Uneven readings are not uncommon on worn engines, and as long as the difference between the highest and lowest readings are no more than 21 PSI and the lowest reading is 100 PSI or better, then the engine is acceptable. Greater differences between cylinders indicate worn or broken rings, leaky or sticky valves or a combination of all.
     
  3. Rifledriver

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    Those rules of thumb are outdated to the extreme.
     
  4. WATSON

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    Before this spirals into a debate on the benchmarks, what are your thoughts on the readings I posted?

    I respect your opinion and would welcome your feedback.
     
  5. group77racing

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    Did you label each cylinder sparkplug? So someone can read them.
    How many cranking compression pulses? 3,4, 5 or more?
    What type of tester?
    throttles open?
    battery charger on battery to get maximum voltage?
    What weight engine oil do you use? Miles on that oil?
    What sparkplug are you using? miles on those plugs?

    What I'm getting at is theres are alot of variables to consider, but no matter how you do it, the numbers should be alot closer to each other than they are.

    not bashing ya, just trying to gather info. Been doing this for over 30 years.
     
  6. WATSON

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    I didn't do the test...Motion Products did the test and will be doing the major.

    Good questions. Yes, plugs were labeled. I'll get the others answered when I stop over there tomorrow.
     
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    Also, looking at your numbers again, I see one bank is lower overall than the other. If they pull the heads off, check;

    Piston to deck clearance
    Head gasket thickness
    CC combustion chambers

    I almost bet the deck height on the block is different 1-4 and 5-8. Doesn't take much, we're talking only thousandths of an inch
     
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    #8 Steve Magnusson, Feb 5, 2015
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    The absolute accuracy of any compression test gauge is a bit iffy anyway, but at what elevation above sea level was the test performed and was it raining or nice weather? The reading on the gauge (for the same engine tested in the same way) is directly proportional to the (true) prevailing atmospheric pressure -- in weather reports, they "correct" the local atmospheric pressure for the local elevation.
     
  9. Rifledriver

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    Even is very important. That we all agree upon. The absolute numbers can vary for a variety of reasons but at the 100 lbs mentioned, that is under half of the correct sea level compression of a 355 and cannot be considered OK under any circumstance.

    Another thing to consider that negates all the old rules of thumb is modern engine manufacturing. Methods and products used create a situation, and the 355 is an excellent example of this, where original compression, or very close to it is maintained for most of the useful life and once it starts to go it goes quickly.

    The bottom line is, coming on here and asking if xxx compression is good is a waste of time. The guy who did the test, if he is any good will understand how those variables apply to his situation and tell you "this is good". If he can't someone wasted their money.
     
  10. Rifledriver

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    Or it could be what it is in 99.8% of the cases and it is a symptom of inconsistently timed cams.
     
  11. joshtownsend

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    would you say about 20 years out dated?? hahaha
     
  12. WATSON

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    Thanks. These guys knew what they had. They are on the fence and suggested the leak-down tomorrow. #1 had some oil around the plug and could have dripped in there and increased that reading. They weren't sure. They said more than a 20 pound differential would need some explaining...

    Out of time cams left to right could be an issue here. That will be completely rectified during this service.

    I realize that just a set of numbers does not tell the whole story, but I learn a lot asking these questions and thank all of you for the input so far.
     
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    Do you think its better to do the compression test warm or cold?Which is better.
     
  14. tres55

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    I'd be happy with those numbers.

    The two cars that I've had tested were at 175 on the high end, and some cylinders around 125-130. I wasn't happy with those results so I passed on them.

    175+ in my opinion is a happy motor.
     
  15. Rifledriver

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    SOP is to do it hot.

    The Mahle ring material used in the 355 among other cars is so perfectly matched in in it's thermal expansion coefficient to the cylinder that there is no change in the ring gaps from hot to cold. I have tested a great many of those motors for both leak down and compression both hot and cold and have found no measureable difference on motors in good condition.
     
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    Updates???
     
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    I'll start another thread on the engine out later.....the liberation of Liberty Indiana is underway.

    Check the timing marks on the cams on bank 5-8. Hummm, think we'll fix that ;) Could possibly be the cause of the compression number anomaly.

    Lots to fix in here...but it has begun.
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    Look forward to it. Thank you
     
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    Wow, must be a neat shop. 355 next to a pink '59 Ford. Looking forward to the progress!
     

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