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1st Ferrari - So many decisions

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  1. wildcat465

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    My wife has made it clear to me that the '05 SL600 that sits in our garage is hers. So, I've decided that perhaps it's time to find something for myself. A new Ferrari is just not in the <$100k budget and I've been trolling this site for guidance. The car that I buy will have an easy life. I'm not one for racing or redlight drag racing, but I do enjoy getting out to drive for no reason. Our, I mean, my wife's, red SL600 provides, a safe, reliable (relatively), and supremely comfortable experience and even calls for help when when she needs it. With that said, I want something raw and leaning towards a Testarossa. Is there ayn reason that I should not buy this car for my 1st Ferrari?
     
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  3. jungathart

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    Testarossa means "raw" in Italian. Do it! :)
     
  4. richard_wallace

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    The Tesstarossa is a great car. But not one you want to go in with little information. It can be expensive to maintain, it is not modern and it is raw.

    I look back 10 years ago and the best advice I got when asking the same question as you for my first ferrari - buy as new as you can afford/budget.

    Of course I ended up buying a vintage 67 GTC - rather than modern.

    I would have a look at the 550 Great V12 GT car, reliable, get in and go, etc.

    I would also look at the 355 (spider or coupe) well within your price range and have money to spare for any maintenance).

    You are also in the range of a 99 360 coupe as well...

    Either way - do your research, ask this board with any questions, due more research, ask more questions, etc. Many first time F-car buyers that jump in fast end up with 10K in maintenance cost after they get their car due to "issues" they didn't know about going into it.

    Good luck in the search - the search is almost as fun as driving it when you get it :)

    Rich
     
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  6. Vito

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    Patrick/Wildcat - Take your time, do your research & homework before making an impulse purchase. The value of a PPI (Pre-Purchase Inspection) done by a skilled, lnowledgeable & reputible mechanic can not be over-stressed. However, no matter how good the car seems and regardless of the model, keep available $10K for service & maintenance the first year. There will always be something that will need attention and escapes the eyes of even the best technician. Low milaege is not always the best indicator either - look for a car that's been driven & services regularly. The shopping and research can be a great deal of fun too. A 355 Spider is a lovely car & well within your budget. Regarding the Testarossa, consider the high service costs - $10-15K for a major engine/belt service. Check with the local FCA chapter near you & I'm sure you'll find plenty of people very willing to talk to you about a first Ferrari. No mater what you end up with, you'll enjoy it. Have fun!
     
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  8. wildcat465

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    It's interesting that you decided to go with a car from the 60s. That's my plan B. I love the classics (probably more than some of the stuff from the 80s and 90s). So, I'll be looking in that direction too. Where's a good place to go to get a sesne of where the market is for any particular car. The newer cars are easy to find; however, where do I go find prices for cars built in the 60s? I'm particularly interested in the 330GT 2+2 or a Dino, but I don't know what how much I should pay for one.

    I like the exposed headlights of the 512M so that's the model that I'm leaning towrads; however, you've indicated that a 99 360 (another favorite of mine) might be attainable within my budget. Does anybody know pricig range for a '94 512? What should I expect to pay? I don't mind paying a $10k repair bill if a car comes in under budget. I just want a car that's unmodified, accident-free, and clean.

    You also mentioned a 550. Most of those I've seen have been out of my price range. Those and the 465 would probably be a practical option (given that my daily driver has been a CL500), but I don't want a practical car. I want an icon.
     
  9. wildcat465

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    Trust me, I would not buy a Ferrai without a thorough PPI. If I buy a car that needs the major engine/belt service and then have it done, when is the next time that it would need to be done?
     
  10. indaville

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    Depends on the mileage when you buy the car, but usually every 15,000 miles or five years.
     
  11. $$$=SPEED

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    Depends who's asking
    My thoughts,
    If you can spend under $100k I would go for the 360. No engine out, most all around performance. I started with a 348 with a PPI, major service just done, low miles and got a deal. Turned out the major was done wrong and the PPI didn't pick up the clutch was close to gone. $13k later she was good to go.

    360 bullet proof motor, less to service, excellant handling, roomy, etc etc.

    My 2 cents,

    Good Luck,
    Mike
     
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  13. wildcat465

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    Just returned from the dealer. I explained that I was interested in anything under $150k and he showed me a '99 360, and '04 360 and a '04 Gallardo. The '04 360 had a warranty and has a seductive look that I like. It's a tough call becuase the Lambo is 4wd, current body, fresher interior and 500hp. I'm torn. Can any of these cars be driven everyday?

    I sat in a Diablo and immediately knew that it's not what I want. He didn't have a TR, but suggested that maintenance will be higher than on the 360 or the Gallardo. I still want to check out a 512, but I'm leaing towards one of the noew cars.

    I'm open to any opinions on the Gallardo vs 360 choice in front of me (Although I'm still open to a Testarossa.)
     
  14. wildcat465

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    Thanks Mike,

    What do you mean "no engine out?"
     
  15. GrandSportC3

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    The big belt service (engine out) is only due every 5 years or 30000 miles...
     
  16. sketchsk85

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    i thought testarossa ment little red head? well either way the testarossa is wicked awesome....

    -Thomas
     
  17. 285ferrari

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    Testa=head
    Rossa=red
     
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    Testa Rossetta = little red head?
    or, testita rossa? ;)
     
  19. msouza

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    Patrick

    The 348, 355, and the TR when performing the 30K service (belt replacement) requires the engine be removed from the car (engine out) to have access.

    The 360 does not require an engine out service, as it can be acomplished with the engine still in the vehicle.

    "Engine out" requires an additional time (Labor) which makes the 30K service a lot more costly.


    Regards,

    Milton.
     
  20. Tomf-1

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    great advice, ricardo
     
  21. mark328

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    Have you thought about a late model 328?....very reliable, excellent road car, not as pricey to repair, and will hold it's value....can get a good late model low mileage car for around $55,000
     
  22. chp

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    Gallardo will be more reliable than Testa or 512 TR. Definitely a car that can be driven everyday. I don`t think the Testa/ 512 TR should be used this way. It is much older and more expensive to maintain!

    You should drive both in order to decide. If the Gallardo is an egear car, then you should have the latest software update! 360 is also of much better quality than the Testa/512, although I`d prefer the Gallardo.

    The Gallardo is raw, well designed, (very) fast, reliable and safe. No engine out service as it has got a chain drive instead of a belt!
     
  23. $$$=SPEED

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    Depends who's asking

    The TR's , 348's, and 355's all need the engine removed to do the major service every 3 -5 years or 15k miles. Very expensive!

    As for the Gallardo. Make sure the clutch is new or been replaced. Some of those clutches were bad and went 3,000 to 5,000 miles. So I hear. Just something to check on.

    Good Luck and make sure you posts pics when you decide.

    Mike
     
  24. JTR

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    Patrick,
    Drop by Bobileff Motor cars if you haven't already, and Gary will give you the straight scoop on maintenance costs, reliability, etc., on these different cars.
    I bought my Boxer from him and he was very upfront about what to expect from it.
    No pressure, he'll tell you the pro's and con's of each, and let you make up your mind.
    Enjoy the search!
    John
     
  25. chp

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    Clutches of early cars should be replaced. If this is done there shouldn`t be a problem concerning this issue in future.
     
  26. wildcat465

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    I stopped past Bobileffs today, but I should have checked their hours--They weren't open.
     
  27. wildcat465

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    When I sat in the Gallardo, I thought "this is a car my wife can drive." The selfish side of me says get the TR; however, it wouldn't be as much fun if my wife couldn't/wouldn't drive it. Although she very much enjoys her SL600, I suspect that she wouldn't mind spending time behind the wheel of an exotic. I think I've narrowed my realistic options to a 360 or a Gallardo. Both are a little over budget, but I think that when you factor in maintenance cost and reliability these are the cars that make the most sense.

    I find the Ferrari's looks more appealing; however, I'm concered about it's lack of power relative to the Lambo and the SL600. Of course the SL has a different mission and doesn't handle as well, but I love the SL's torque but it lacks the rawness that I'm looking for. I suspect that many of you are biased towards the Ferrari, but can you tell me if I'd find the 360 to have too little power? Is the G a better car than the 360?
     
  28. wildcat465

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    There's been a change. I've actually had a chance to see a Testarossa live and I've decided that's the kind of car that I'm looking for. I was really moving towards a Gallardo until I saw the 512TR up close and it has kind of the old school look raw feel that I want. So, now I start my search in earnest.
     

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