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2000 Mile 77 308

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  1. James in Denver

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  2. pippo

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    I was in contact with the guy for the past 4 months, the time during which I was waiting for the pics and replies. I had some interest in it.

    When I saw initial pictures, I noticed bolster worn on driver's seat, so I asked him about it, and he (Jimmy) said it was normal/expected even though the car has only 1900m. I thought this was not correct assumtion for classic wear vs mileage patterns. Bolsters wear like handle knob on stick shifter, rubber on clutch/brake pedals, etc, with respect to the use of the car, not independant of it. That was it for me.

    I think he has had new leather now, but not sure. In that case, that evidence is now gone. New leather is also hard to get reproduced like the orig factory.....the crisp lines that follow the pleats/padding inlays and stitching is usually absent, unless factory redone, I assume. That is what I understand AND have seen examples of. But, no matter.
     
  3. MS250

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    Interesting find. If this car was an actual 2,000 mile glass car, it would be a steal if everything checks out.

    Anyone see this car live to verify ?

    Or is it a 102,000 mile car with redone interior and a nice wax job ?
     
  4. James in Denver

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    Assuming this is the same car, the bolster wear would be a concern for me as well. My 84 has very little wear with 34K miles (seats covered most of its life) but it shows other wear indicative of 34K miles (not 134K).

    Other signs would be, as stated above, rubber on pedals, wear on stick shift, engine wear, undercarriage/suspension wear and/or general appearance.

    I do notice that he does NOT show any engine shots, nor undercarriage shots (or for that matter, pedal shots)

    WARNING: Another FChatter sold his higher mileage 308 QV on ebay and GOT A CALL from someone who point blank TOLD HIM he was going to roll back the odo. The FChatter was honorable, told him no, even though he could have gotten more money. There was a thread about it about 6 months ago approx.

    I'm not saying thats what happened here, because if its a true 2K mile car, its a great deal for someone, but do your homework.

    James in Denver
     
  5. don_xvi

    don_xvi F1 Rookie

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    I prefer the pictures that actually have seats in them rather than the outside shot (the first and last ones) that clearly show NO SEATS. Likewise with the inner door panels. The seats are nicely re-done, though... ;)

    Also, what's that big black box between the seats on the parcel shelf, and again in front of the door speaker grille? Tacky speaker add-ons?

    I'd also prefer a car with at least a drivers side mirror!

    Looks like a wonderfully, freshly, restored car that deserves more pics. Presumably with a freshly rolled back odometer.
     
  6. Champboat/Champcar

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    I don`t think that low mileage cars are so great, so you have a car that has been sitting for 30 years, even if it has new belts and other new items the motor has been laying around for who knows how long, the cylinders could have some rust, besides other things.It just doesn`t make sense to me at all.It is a beautiful car, and i wish the new owner luck,I am just confused about the low mileage,like a guy has a car advertised for years,it probably had a service, then is advertised for the next few years for big bucks, meanwhile what good can it do for the carbs or fuel injection or all the gaskets for that matter from sitting waiting for a buyer?It must be Me, I just do not understand.
     
  7. James in Denver

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    I noticed the no-seats, I was wondering how the seats were folded that far forward.... looked strange. I JUST NOTICED the mirror, or rather, lack thereof.

    Something's up with this car.......

    James in Denver
     
  8. GatorFL

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    On the surface, seems like a nice car. Pippo's comments put a cloud over it. I wouldn't mind buying the car but I'd want to see it in person and do a PPI before finalizing the deal.

    What does Carfax say regarding mileage?
     
  9. Nuvolari

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    I too was in contact with the seller about this car for over a month. Having seen many detail photos on the car it became very clear that the seller is selling an 'OK' car and leveraging its price strongly based on the 1900 mile odometer. Having owned a 77 GTB for 4 years and knowing possibly every nook and cranny on these cars I can say that at the asking price the car is not a good buy given the current market conditions. You are buying an odometer and nothing more. My reasons:

    1. Despite the work performed, the car has still to be driven a bit (1000 miles +) to work out the bugs. This car sat unused for something like 15+ years and there is no subsitute for a little mileage to be sure of reliability. Remember a pile of recent receipts is essential with these cars but they need to come with some recent mileage.

    2. The undercarriage of this car and all of the suspension components have a lot of oxidation on them. Please DO NOT confuse this with the car being a rust bucket. IT IS NOT. The car however was stored in a damp environment and the photos of the underside I saw was evidence of it. In addition the car has not had any of its suspension re-built. This will crack and deteriorate due to age and not mileage. Consider this amount in your calculations.

    3. The car cannot be sold as a time capsule all original car because one of the A-Pillars was re-painted. Seems like a small detail but if someone is charging me a premium for an odometer with 1900 miles on it, EVERYTHING should be as it left Maranello.

    4. The work performed is all nice but there is a lot of other things that were not looked at that will definatly need doing. One immediate example that comes to mind is that the rad will need re-coring as it is impossible that it be ok after all of these years. Been there done that.

    Now the positives. The car was very well described to me and the seller did not hide anything. I believe the mileage to be true (seat bolster wear can come in 1900 miles if you wear rough pants and are not that 'suave' when getting in and out) and there appear to be no scams present here. The owner is asking a hefty premium for the mileage and he will probably get a buyer for his price. Knowing these cars well I think that anyone who buys the car knows little about Ferrari's and is only turned on by the mileage. That, or they have so much money they don't care and will spend a lot to make the car run. Either way a car with more mileage but recent receipts is a much better buy. Just my opinion and I hope it helps someone out there.
     
  10. Bullfighter

    Bullfighter Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Did I miss something? I didn't see it described as a 'glass car.
     
  11. Nuvolari

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    NOT a glass car. This is a steel car.
     
  12. pippo

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    Yeah, now I remember the other BIG reason why i declined.....Butchered door panels for big boom speakers!!!! NOT ORIGINAL! FORGET IT!
     
  13. pippo

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    It IS a steel car.
     
  14. pippo

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    I agree with your assessment.

    Oh, just another little tid bit...months ago, during the resto process, he said he had a lot of interest in the car, I figured, what else would one say, but then, may be true. So, figured he would probably sell it to someone else, but apparently never transpired. Just cant help wondering why he couldnt sell it , when he had so many interested people?? Also, itwas orig in Hemmings at 42,000. Now, hes saying it is in hemmings for 44,000. Bumped it up for an ebay marketing perspective, I guess.
     
  15. pippo

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    Oh, Oh, Oh, darnit, he courteously sent me many pictures, they should still be in my computer, but darnit, cant figure out how to access them.....stay tuned...yes, many nice parts new, as he states, but some rust here and there.....Im gonna try, man....
     
  16. MS250

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    Well said Rob, i would hae to agree as well.

    As for the glass , steal thing, i was wondering if it was glass or steel....I didnt see the VIN and didnt know.

    (maybe i didnt ask that question right :))
     
  17. azcarguy

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    I just contacted the seller over the weekend and have pics of the car I can email to those interested. IMO the car is not worth the money and mainly for the reasons mentioned by Nuvolari. The car is heavily oxidized underneath, on the frame under the bonnet and the suspension would need to be gone through among some other odds and ends.

    The latest Forza has some market "opinions" on this generation of cars and puts them between $25K and $35K for a steel GTB. To me the car is worth $26K give or take (and maybe that's generous). Again only my opinion.
     
  18. pippo

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    sorry, guys, but uploading pictures is a little harder than I thought. How could I get them on this thread, anybody know?

    Got a few showing the rust under coil springs and such....etc. Also , too many other ones Jimmy sent me. Wheels, trunk, carb banks, etc...

    I realize probably irrelevant by now.....or maybe not...
     
  19. christopher

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    Gentlemen,

    I figured I'd see a thread on this car.....

    Yep, I too was interested, well, interested until I saw the under carriage pics, rust, rust, rust. Oxidation was putting it very nicely.

    I've been a victim of acquiring a rusty car, only happened once, never again. Any who, I still have the pics if anyone what to see them.

    Regards, Chris.
     
  20. jasonporsche

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    Sure is a lot of rust and oxidation, either stored under water all these years or in a salt mine!
     
  21. pippo

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    Just posted some pics of these rusted ares you mention...(2 posts ago, links). Curious if mine are the exact same as the ones you have...should be, eh??
     
  22. pippo

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    Yeah, thing is....I just cant figure out why he sent them to me. Was it the "before" of the "before and after"? If so, I never got the after, and youd think theyd be sent at the same time, to impress, no? (scratching scalp)
     
  23. Spitfire

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    It looks to me as if it still has the original protective plastic on the door bin.
     

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