Why don't you look up sarcasm in the dictionary. I see that the operation to remove your humor gland was successful.
Hahahaha...well played sir, well played indeed! Glad to see you still lurking around, and hope to see you out there.
Time for new glasses then. Not sure what phantom cartel you think I suck up to, but I assure you it's nobody here. Just for those whose reading is impaired by jealousy/hate/retardation: I love my C6 Z06. It is fast, it is loud, it is black and it is sexy (kinda like Joey). But really, next time I purchase a car, I'll make sure that this phantom cabal sits down and approves it, right after they take a break from planning world domination. You, my friend, need to lighten up a ton -- at your age twitching neck veins because of a humorous post on fchat can't be good. Could it be that I might have been making fun of the Corvette-haters? No, that couldn't be it! That would mean that, my goodness, you might be wrong Intrubl (kinda like your name).
Hey!!! what's with with F the C6 motor (haha) the new LS3 engine was designed as the base for the new ZR1, the LS9 is a forged LS3+SC. Right now with just headers and a cold air intake, I dyno'd 416 rwhp/rwtq SAE corrected, uncorected it dyno'd 446rwhp/440rwtq......
Humor aside....those 45k prices are for a C6 Coupe. Not a Vert, Not a Z, Not a Z51. Its for a coupe with minimal options!!! Ok, go back to being your midget hating prick self!!!
Sometimes it's not about the performance statistics. If it was, I'd be driving a Corvette and not a Lotus Elise. I can't speak for Ferraris, but I definitely know that the C6 I drove felt like a really fast family sedan and not really a sports car.
Ed -- reading some of the info out there it looks like the LS9 is not an LS3 block, they are cast differently and the block architectures have some differences. Nonetheless, you are right, the LS3 is most impressive for a base Corvette. I bet Pete is kicking himself that he has an LS2 and not an LS3 The 08s with the new interior is simply world-class and comes very close to finally being close to European standards (the 3LT looks awesome!). I haven't been following pricing really, but a mutual friend who is in the Vette-selling biz fwd'ed this to me: http://forums.corvetteforum.com/showthread.php?p=1563554216&posted=1#post1563554216 and we both shared a good laugh. While I don't think the average buyer out there is probablly paying sticker for a Vette I doubt most are educated enough to haggle for invoice. Not to mention Corvettes are somewhat lower volume cars, so some dealers just sit and sit on them till some sucker pays what they want for them. But, hell, even $50K for a Z51 that is faster then a 430 in some categories is most impressive. The ZR1 will absolutely decimate most cars out there, and not to mention it will do so with a worldclass interior and luxury amenities (nav, heated seats, heads up display, etc) and creature comforts (adjustable suspension) is just icing on the cake. For those of you who think that the Corvette is a plastic cheap-o econo box: go down to a chevy store and sit an 08 C6. Or actually better yet, don't. I kinda like keeping the quality and wow factor of these cars secret
To each his own: just remember '08 C6s recieved a totally new powerplant amongst other things. The elise is cute, light, and easy to throw around: but hit any fast track, and a stock C6 will be walking you, throw a Z into the mix (forget the ZR1) and you might as well just pull over to the side FWIW, an Elise is about the cost of a C5 Z06 (previous generation) which is still faster -- so technically a $43K Elise is not in the same class as a C6 Corvette. Better to compare it to a Saturn Skye or Pontiac Solstice. So technically if you had an extra $15K, then you could consider a new C6
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/showthread.php?p=1563554216&posted=1#post1563554216 Yeah , I read that thread before. And its about an EBAY SALE. Which I think is bull**** to begin with. I also know someone who is picking up his 2008 Z51 Fully Loaded I believe for $50K from a dealer in Port Jeff! A C6 as a family sedan??? Gee I sure hope so, just remember to turn off the Airbag so you dont decapitate the little one!!!!!!
The Elise is $46k, exact same price as a C6 No one is arguing the performance potential, but that's my point: It's not just the performance potential. There's more to it than that. No, I'm not talking about being exotic or cool. I'm talking strictly driving here. I'm not Lewis Hamilton and I don't go to tracks to compete. Doesn't matter if my lap times are the fastest. Our own Matt at NYMC told me he much prefers his Mini Cooper S on the track to his modified C5 because it's just more fun (Sorry, Matt, if you don't want me quoting you) I'd go on, but it probably wouldn't make a difference EDIT: I just want to point out that I think the C6 is an awesome car and I am making my friend buy one. I'm definitely not trying to discredit it.
Rear: Viper = 345/35-19 ZR1 = 335/25-20 A set of rear PS2's for the Viper leaves you enough change from a grand for a happy meal. (If you meant brand, the Viper comes with Michelin Pilot Sport Cups, and the ZR1 Pilot Sport PS2's)
You think so Johnny boy???? Could be worse.....too many Ferrari posers in the thread!!!!!! (and yes, I am directing that at you Doc!!!!_) How many penile enlargements did you get to do this week????
PTS... What MIT was trying to say is that in terms that are important to any sports car the small block Chevy has been and will continue to be an excellent performer. What is most important to a sports car is power to weight ratio and power to volume. Power to weight is obvious, but power to volume counts too in how you package the engine in the car and determines vehicle size. If the engine is too big it impacts the width, and the weight of the car. In both of those regards, the Chevy motor is actually the best normally aspriated engine in the world. In terms of horsepower to displacement, a more complex (read heavy) DOHC engine is a better choice. But really they are both getting to the same place different ways. The larger displacement engine is turning slower, but is processing more air in each revolution. The smaller motor is processing the same amount of air, but turning more RPM's to do it. Same power, just a different way of getting there. In most racing classes displacement is limited, so you will see DOHC engines favored. The thing that doesn't show up in the comparison in max power is that the larger displacement engine will have better low end torque and will come off of the corners faster and with more acceleration, which results in faster lap times. For a street car in a country where displacement isn't taxed, a pushrod engine can (as the Corvette aptly proves) provide more power and better performance than a normally aspriated overhead cam engine of similar weight. The SUPERCHARGED DOHC 500 hp Ford engine (weighs 420 # without the supercharger) is heavier than the 500 hp engine in the normally aspriated Z06 (458 pounds). The aluminum Chevy engine is really amazing, when the power to weight ratio is the driving factor. It is the key factor in why the Z is faster than the Ford around just about any racetrack. Just remember the old axiom, there is no replacement for displacement... On another note, somebody was disparaging the leaf springs in the Corvette. Springs are springs, hey hold up the car and provide suspension forces in response to displacement. If they were supporting a solid axle that would be different, but the Corvette has state of the art independent suspension. The leaf springs in the Vette are fiberglass and are actually lighter than coil springs of similar capacity. Moreover, the configuration allows them to be mounted lower in the car than a set of similar coil springs, saving weight and lowering the CG. From an engineering standpoint, they not only make sense, but some folks would contend that they are actually better than coils. While a Corvette isn't a Ferrari, and never will be, you have to appreciate that the engineering in the car is every bit as sophisticated as anything that has come out of Maranello, save the Enzo. It is a relatively inexpensive mass produced car with extraordinary performace. The interior isn't fantastic, and yes there are lots of them so you will see yourself coming and going, but it still is a pretty impressive car.
Evening Simba......a set of PS2s for the ZR1 cant be much cheaper either.....so after buying a set of tires, your left taking your babe to White Castle for a "Sweaty Sack of Burgers"!!
hey Barry and Simba, what's up? Miss new york only been ther 34 years. Houston is OK though. Living downtown. Gonna get me my concealed carry and shoot animals from my car window sooner or later.
So the ZR1 does not have run flats? I guess its like the c5 z06--fix-a-flat time. Does the c6 zo6 have run flats? I think it does. So tire alone the ZR1 is gonna do OK.
this is exactly why i dont come to ferrarichat for any technical advice... my point to MIT was i was trying to understand what he was getting at, and than i responded to what it thought he was talking about... reading ur points, i realized u really dont know what ur talking about...but its ok, cuz ill re-educate u, and show u the light FIRST OFF pushrod engines with larger displacements turning more are is OONLYYYY true when its a LARGER displacement than the DOHC ur comparing it to. A 2 valve pushrod engine will turn almost 50% less air than a 4 valve engine of that same size....WHICH IS WHY most cars are DOHC (especially in racing) if the ls7 or ls9 were overhead cams, they would be much more efficient engines in all senses except for a little weight (if properly engineered), but you wouldnt need such a big 427 cubic inch displacement anymore, so you could downsize the engines abit im gonna assume ur right about ur weights... ok so...zo6 engine=458 pounds and the ford gt=420 without the supercharger....and the supercharger weighs id say top 30 pounds (and i actually know because ive lifted one before after john put on the whipple) ok..................zo6 hp 507.....ford gt....550hp....... axiom this: Z06 is a 427 cubic inch, the gt is a 329 cubic engine zo6 458 pounds:507 horse Ford GT estimated 450pounds:550 horse and ur remark about the z06 being faster around almost every track...i hope you dont pick race horses the same way u did this... The nuremburgring times for the cars 7.42.9 ZO6 driven by Jan Magnussen (who has driven in over 25 f1 grand prix's, also the winner of the 06 12 hours of seabring in the GT 1 class) 7.42.0 Ford GT driven by joe shmoe hired by octane magazine im tired of this, so im gonna make my point about the suspension quick: if monoleafs are so good...why does no one in modern racing not use them??? (INCLUDING TEH CORVETTE TEAMS) AND I DO APPRECIATE PUSHROD AND MONOLEAF TECHNOLOGIES!!!!! BUT ITS GETTING OLD, thats all im saying, i wanna see chevrolet build something new, instead of the same crap over and over. and im fed up of the dumbass "purists" who say that pushrods are proven technology...ya, they are... so are steam engines...
