2010 - 456 maintenance cost

Rifledriver has the info at his fingertips. He's seen/done it all.

 

6 speed I assume?

Where are you located?

How many miles a year?

Who will service it?


If you answer those we can come up with some ballpark ideas.

 

I just had a major service at a reputable independent shop in OC. The cost was $4700. Dealer wanted 10k to 11k to start. Major included timing belts, fluids, plugs, gaskets, and a bunch of other stuff. If you're still looking, I might be interested in selling my car. PM me if your interested. A fluids only service is about a thousand.

 

I paid $1000 to an independent former Ferrari tech to do "the window fix" on both of the windows on my 456.

 

As RifleD asks, it's going to depend on who is doing it, and where it gets done.

I asked similar question recently as I'm about to go under the knife on a Major for my '99 456M-6, but with a Certified Ferrari Dealer Mechanic-gone-independent...

He specifically said we should wait until the complete upgrade-kit is ready from Scuderia Rampante (Boulder, CO), in conjunction with parts from Ricambi.

Parts quote for all belts, hoses, gaskets, connectors, fluids, filters, (basically anything plastic or rubber before you get to the bottom-end) -- will run about $3000-ish. Add about $5k for the labor. (I sought-out and found this mechanic given he's the only one to have historically done work on this car, and as far as I care, will be the only one going forward...even with the 300+ miles between us)

So I'd say somehwhere in the $7500 neighborhood for Ferrari Certified Mechanic work with better-than-OEM Spec parts.

Note Bradan, a trusted top-sponsor on this site, was in same ballpark.

 

"The" window fix is several thousand in just parts.


"A" window fix for $1000? Who knows what that was.

 

Peter- Your next belt change will probably be a lot cheaper, though. You should not need to have the valve clearances checked (unless you drive 15,000 miles), the cam timing will be fine using the new marks, and Dave's hoses are going to last pretty much forever, so you may not even need to crack the cam covers.

While he is doing this job, I bet your mechanic will put 575M tensioner brackets on the car along with the new tensioner bearings. My personal opinion only is that a 550 or 456/M should be good for five years between belt changes if all the parts are changed to 575M parts and new tensioner bearings are used, and the only part different on 456/M/550 cars now is the tensioner bracket. The belts and bearings are identical.

Then you just have to change the aux belts every three years, and that is easy.

Taz
Terry Phillips

 

Brian- Can you tell us about the window fix you were discussing?

Taz
Terry Phillips

 

yeah, thats why i didnt buy a 456

 

Right; I'm picking up where you and I left off with this discussion last year...

This month marks the 5-years since Timing Belt/30k Major was done by same mechanic of Ferrari of Washington, DC.

So now, just 6k miles later, it's going back in *to same lifetime mechanic* so he can perform all that you/he are proposing.

I think his idea was to just give it a full review, and go from there, incorporating all Dave's silicone and what-not to try and get as bulletproof as possible.

I'll get into him about the 575M parts, as you mention...

Hopefully, just a few weeks away in getting started.

Will forward you the quotesheet to have a look -- interested to have you return with comments/suggestions.

Otherwise, I am without issues - but for wishing I knew how to just tighten-up the driver door release lever within the armrest. Works fine, but has a fraction too-much lateral play when it's down/closed.

Checked Ricambi parts page to see exploded view of it, but even there it's not clear on how to disassemble armrest/doorpanel to tighten it.

 

"The Window Fix" which the tech did involved adjustments: no hard parts were necessary.

From the bill: "Check window adjustment. Adjust windows as required for poor gap, remove and paint visibly flaking window trim."

As an aside: "Sublet paintless dent repair: out ding in driver's door. Remove piece of glass lodged between door skin and support causing dent and repair as good as possible."

Came out great; the very minor dent / bulge was smoothed out so as to be unnoticeable; those guys with their weird dentless repair tools tapped and smoothed it out.

The tech said he basically came up with his method of doing the window fix via trial and error, mainly by working on (and cherrying out) his own 456.

When I bought the car, the driver's door glass in particular was bowed out quite a ways.

Now it fits flush and looks and operates just fine.

No substitute for a competent tech when I am over my head.

Now I've got the car in my garage and am ready to start what should be a life-long journey with Ferrari repair and maintenance (one big reason I bought the beast: it seems interesting).

He gave me a good tip as to how to get enough clearance to fit a floor jack under it (it sits really low): I bought a ten foot 2X10, cut it into four pieces, cut a shallow angle on the front of each piece, like an inclined ramp; I will put a board under each tire then drive up onto the boards, thus gaining enough clearance to fit the jack underneath.

Let the games begin ...

 

Peter- If the belts were changed and the valve clearances checked 6000 miles ago, the clearance check is not needed this time. Valve clearance is a mileage maintenance item (15,000 miles), not a time one. In fact, if he degreed the cams last time he changed the belts, that does not need to be done again since he can use his own marks from the last time. That would mean the cam covers do not need to come off unless they are leaking, and many of the gaskets, etc are unnecessary. The intake manifold will still need to come off for the plenum hose changes.

One advantage of having complete records is not having to perform redundant maintenance on a car and to actually negate the need to do what Americans have coined as a "major" where everything is ripped apart simultaneously. Even at five year cam belt change intervals, most American Ferraris are not driven enough miles to need a valve clearance adjustment except every other belt change, and if three year cambelt changes are made, maybe every 3rd or 4th change. I know there are exceptions to the mileage driven.

You might ask your mechanic about the valve clearance check and also see if he plans to rebuild the water pump since parts are now available to do that relatively inexpensively and it is unlikely it has ever been done. If the coolant was regularly changed, the water pump is likely ok.

Taz
Terry Phillips

 

For maint. only an average of about $2000 a year in our market if you get the right guy doing it. There are a couple in this area and a few charlatans. About $1000 annually and the other half in a fund for a big one every 4 or 5 years.

 

The stock parts are sometimes capable of doing the job OK but just that and only if you are lucky. The early door seals were a terrible design and don't have a prayer of working well. The new ones are about $1200 each. The early regulators likewise were a terrible design and among other things did not allow you to adjust for the production tolerances that often existed. I think the new ones are about $1500 each. There are a few other items as well. If I recall the factory fix that they did perform on a few of the cars was about $7000 at the factories usual undercompensation to the dealer.

There is one shop in FL I understand that has been making it a bit of a sub specialty to do the door fixes and is doing it for less. I have heard they have quite a few very happy people.

That is one reason It would be hard for me to want an GT as opposed to a GTM.

 

Brian- That would match what I see here except our labor rates are lower. Incidentally, I forgot to note it was $2000 to R&R my dash and instrument panel (replaced with Superamerica panel) and another $1000 to recover the dash. Just as a data point for people contemplating recovering their dash.

Taz
Terry Phillips

 

Good leather guys are more common there than here. Get some of my best boots from that part of the country. But $2000 to get in and out is about the same.

 

If you want some names to call in the area to help in your search PM me. There are a couple of good resources that you should consider. Most great cars and deals never get on the radar screen. You need guys in the sales end to find those for you.

 

I have only been in the Ferrari world a few years and am constantly learning, and that was the first thing I learned. The best cars are with new owners without anyone ever knowing....

 

That has been pretty much my experience over the last 4 years.

 

As for the technician who did the $1000 repair on the windows, he has twenty nine years of Ferrari experience, he has been to 308, 328, 348, mondial, mondial T, Testarossa, 512TR, 355 and 456 factory schools. He has worked on many 456's in the Northwest area including have having two of his own including one he's had for nine years and 41,000 miles. He has done quite a few 456 window repairs and currently is the technician who works on the cars of 2000 456M, MrV and previously the 456 of DonV just of this thread alone.

On the 456 of MrV for the $1000 dollars the window regulators and glass were removed to repaint the outer waist seal where it touches the door paint (sanded and repainted) The regulators had already been rebushed so that didn't need to be done. Cleaned all of the hard grease off the track assy's, replaced the plastic track guides, replaced the mushy rubber guide mounts with .030 thick leather as to last forever, drill and remounted the rear end of the regulator pivot, modified the window stop to let the window drop as far as possible and adjust it correctly as to not put the window too far up (the biggest cause of window gap). Fit the window correctly fore and aft, adjust the angle of the tracks as required, lube everything with silicone paste and finish minor adjustments. Also repaired lower door panel mounts that had been torn out previously. After all repairs were done a dollar bill couldn't be pulled through the gap anywhere around the glass

The technician also tells his customers that the timing belts an their Ferrari's only need to be changed every ten years or fifteen thousand miles. Except on single belt 348's. Ferrari hasn't had any belt issues since the (green writing) belts on the early 308's*

A timing belt service on a 456 with valve adjust and all fluids and filters changed runs about $6500 at The Jag Shop in Portland.

Btw the technician is me, Craig *

 

You da man, Craig. I'll be bringing my car in soon.