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  1. b27

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  2. 4rePhill

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    I bl**dy well hope not!, Brundles one of the most entertaining commentators in the business!.

    Eddie Jordan on the other hand, with his weekly sniping and accusations that the Ferrari's are somehow built to a sub-standard quality and are dangerous, now there's someone who could do with shutting TFU!, just what is his problem?.
     
  3. 4rePhill

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    Where are the chips? ( or fries for My American cousins :) )
     
  4. Aircon

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    congrats....you're the new king of backpedaling.
     
  5. Dimitar

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    Anybody knows if Alonso is starting from the pit or back of the grid???
     
  6. tifosi12

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    It helps to have a reverse gear around Monaco.

    I'm happy to take that on the chin: The year end tabulation will be fun with all the predictions about MS' domination etc. We'll have plenty of threads to pick from and plenty of crow to go around.
     
  7. GTE

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    I am with Andreas on this one. I failed to see the point in MS' return when he announced it and I fail to see it now.
     
  8. b27

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    Mate I am sick of hearing about Button this and Button that, and if its not him its Hamilton. I undersatnd appreciate he is commentating for the BBC and therefore a UK audience, but trust me to rest of us he's painful. Never won a race himself and yet seems to be an expert.

    As for the chips, I was trying to be healthy. ;)
     
  9. Wolfgang5150

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    Lol. Phil - I posted that because Andreas posts the same thing everytime Alonso finishes ahead of Massa; Rosberg ahead of Schu etc.
    Just sticking it to him, it comes across as immature everytime he does it.

    Yes Schu used to own the place; and most places; but he is 41. I personally never expected him to win dominantly again. I would be happy with one win...which I posted in the off season...
     
  10. b27

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    I heard in commentry during qualifying that he was starting from the pits.
     
  11. GTE

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    Why wouldn't he be an expert? Just because he didn't win a race? Johnny Herbert won two. Is he now more of an expert? Brundle has been in F1 for a long time. Operated right next to the likes of Michael Schumacher and Rubens Barrichello. Also had his fair share of topteams such as Benetton and McLaren. Even a Le Mans winner. Yes, I think he knows his way in the cockpit of a top racingcar and thus is very qualified to give us some insights here and there.
     
  12. Ferrarista3

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    He'll start from the pit lane.
     
  13. Aircon

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    ahhhhhhhhhhhh well...I didn't predict anything.....I also didn't say 'he'll never come back' 'his neck injury is too serious' etc

    I guess if you try hard enough, we can make anyone eat crow, hey? *shrug*...but why?

    If he's still better than some or most of the rest of the grid after a 3 year layoff and at 41yo then I reckon he's doing (better than) ok.
     
  14. b27

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    I make the comment because he always has a go at Mark Webber. I'm first to admit Mark has made silly mistakes in the past, but at least he's now won a few GP's and for the first time is beating his team mate and is really driving smart and well. Unfortunately we have the BBC coverage.

    And just to clarify I'm actually a Kiwi so normally go for anyone else before an Aussie.
     
  15. 4rePhill

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    The thing is though, having won races or not, Brundle is an ex F1 driver and I for one would rather hear him critcise a current driver than one of the many commentators who have never even raced a car, let alone raced in F1. At the end of the day he's been there and done that for real.

    Another thing to realise is that just because a driver has won GP's doesn't mean he'll make a great commentator. Damon Hill stood in for Brundle a few years ago and he was bl**dy awful, to the point where I was clenching My teeth every time he spoke!. Could you imagine Nigel "Mr Excitement" Mansell commentating!, he would make Mickey Mouse want to slash his wrists!.

    When it comes to the Button/Hamilton bias, trust Me, it's no where near as bad as it was when ITV did the coverage, that was just nauseating!.

    Also, whilst Brundle didn't get mega excited about Webbers achievement today, I didn't think he was having a go at Webber. He acknowledged that one of the main things to note was that Webber was continuing the good form that he had shown in the previous race, something that Webber hasn't always managed.
    It seemed to Me to be more of a case that that he was distracted by the remarkable job that Kubica had managed.
     
  16. Aircon

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    yep...all very true.

    I don't mind Brundle at all, actually.
     
  17. Bas

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    My opinion was that if he where to come back, depending on the car, he'd be winning a few GP's. The car obviously isn't to the standard as the '09 Brawn and the Red Bull, Mclaren and Ferrari are all quicker. If Michael was in any of those cars at the start of the season, he would have had a race win under his belt by now. But he's not. The test ban is hurting him, but even considering this, he's doing well. Don't forget Melbourne last month...the China race was one to forget.

    If EJ and JL were to be shot right now, the world would be a better place. Or if they drove of a cliff, same effect really.
    +1
     
  18. 4rePhill

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    I know I'm in a minority, but I actually miss James Allen!.

    As for EJ, more like "Eejit" everytime I hear him speaking!.



    Anyway, I found this interesting: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/83619 , and I have to say that I'm actually looking forward to seeing if Alonso can disprove the theory that you can't overtake round Monaco (time to dig out those steel wishbones if you ask me! :p ).
     
  19. SRT Mike

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    Nonsense.

    He is 35 thousandths behind his teammate in a car he isn't thrilled with - the two most closely timed cars on the whole grid - pretty much a dead heat. To suggest that is a sign he is over the hill is just silly.

    MS did well today. He is in 7th, and the Mercedes isn't that fast compared to the others.

    I guess Vettel is also over the hill since he was .4 seconds behind Webber ;)

    I know a lot of folks are rooting against Schumi, but the Schumi hating is second only to the Hammy hating on this site. The man is doing very well, all things considered... and he is just gonna get better and better from here.
     
  20. tifosi12

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    Sounds like another bet is required at some point.

    I won one against you this year already concerning MS. Happy to bet again. ;)
     
  21. SRT Mike

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    You didn't take that bet, if you remember :) You would have won if you had, but you didn't.

    Rosberg isn't a slouch, and MS doesn't like this car. We're 6 races into the season and I think Schumi is doing well. The gap is dwindling between NR and MS, and MS is the ultimate competitor. He's getting quicker - beat his teammate last race and is in a dead heat with him this time.

    I don't get the folks who say he shouldn't have come back - like if you aren't the best of the best, then you shouldn't be in F1. By that metric, it should just be one guy - and why even run the season then, we'll just name a best driver and go home. Like Darth said, that's why we run the races. It is a fact that MS has been improving, and also a fact that the MB isn't very fast. When you look at the difference between Massa/Alonso or Button/Hamilton, or Kubica/Petrov - it is a larger difference than MS/NR by far.

    There is clearly a HUGE number of people who really hate MS and want to see him do badly. Same with Hamilton. And much like a wheel failure is called Hamiltons fault for overdriving, in the exact same way, MS being 0.035 slower than Rosberg is considered a failure and he should hang it up - despite beating him last race and being in a dead heat this time. Of course, this scrutiny is not laid upon Alonso or Button... just MS.

    MS bashing is fine... but make no mistake - that's what it is... it's not an honest and fair review of his performance by any means.
     
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    Not exactly. I took the bet and won it, but told you in a PM that you don't need to pay up because I thought it was like stealing candy from a child.

    Not the same thing. He is a 7 times WDC. What's the point for him to have a comeback? Being away from Corinna? Just bored in retirement?

    The thing is, this is Monaco. Michael owned this place in the way Senna did. Because it is purely a driver's circuit. This is where I expected MS to have his best result of the season. The only other true drivers' track is Spa, but the car does play a role there, not so much in Monaco. Seeing him beaten here by the usual suspects plus his team mate is something I didn't expect.

    I see it merely as a counter weight to all the hurray posts he gets. Particularly after he publicly stated that Ferrari would be his last team.
     
  23. SRT Mike

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    No you didn't. I offered the bet but you didn't respond. Unless I missed it. Do you remember what thread it was in? I don't remember what I posted yesterday, let alone back then :D


    Life is short. What is the point of him not coming back? To preseve his legacy? Why should others be so concerned with his legacy? Surely he is the only one qualified to decide what possible effects on his legacy are worth to him. I think people saw him win a lot and were ready for others to have a chance... they see him as greedy. I don't. He's a winner and a competitor. He is lucky to be able to do whatever he wants in life... most of us can only wish for that freedom. To suggest he shouldn't be competing in F1 is, to me, like saying that Al Pacino should stop acting after the Godfather, because he'll never top that. But if he enjoys the job, why not do it? Who does he need to satisfy other than himself? I think that is the mistake he originally made - he left when he didn't really want to, in order to satisfy everyone else. This time, it is all about what he wants... which is how it should be, and is IMO a great way to live!


    An F1 driver caught in a lie about their plans for which team they drive for? Heaven forbid! Has F1 seen the likes of this before? :D

    I am sure at the time he felt that way. I'm pretty sure Ferrari, at that time, were willing to give him whatever he wanted as long as he wanted to stay.

    That changed. And so did his feeling that he'd never want to drive for anyone else.
     
  24. tifosi12

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    There are a lot of actors (as well as athletes) who go out on top. Sadly there are some who after achieving the pinnacle of their acting career, decide to cash in and make movies that simply ruin their reputation.

    Michael S. with Mercedes is like Michael J. with the Wizards.
     
  25. SRT Mike

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    Interesting you would compare it to MJ at the Wizards

    From Wikipedia

    "Playing in his 14th and final NBA All-Star Game in 2003, Jordan passed Kareem Abdul-Jabbar as the all-time leading scorer in All-Star game history. That year, Jordan was the only Washington player to play in all 82 games, starting in 67 of them. He averaged 20.0 points, 6.1 rebounds, 3.8 assists, and 1.5 steals per game. He also shot 45% from the field, and 82% from the free throw line. Even though he turned 40 during the season, he scored 20 or more points 42 times, 30 or more points nine times, and 40 or more points three times. On February 21, 2003, Jordan became the first 40-year-old to tally 43 points in an NBA game. During his stint with the Wizards, all of Jordan's home games at the MCI Center were sold out, and the Wizards were the second most-watched team in the NBA, averaging 20,172 fans a game at home and 19,311 on the road"


    Probably not a bad comparison. MJ was a phenomenal player, even at 40 years old, but even he could not hoist that team to the playoffs. Similar to MB... Schumi is phenomenal, especially for his age, but even he cannot hoist the MB to a win.

    We shall see about next year though.


    The "reputation" thing is amusing.... again, the idea that MS should be so concerned about how people think of him that he denies himself what he really wants in life. That's like staying in a loveless marriage because you're afraid your preacher will look down on you for getting divorced.

    MS' legacy is secure. He struggled a bit in the beginning. Be beat Rosberg the last race, and he's neck and neck with him so far this race. He's doing well. Very well.
     

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