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2011 California Roof mechanism exploded...

Discussion in 'California/Portofino/Roma' started by Doohan, Jul 31, 2020.

  1. Doohan

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    Long story short. The plastic rails over the aluminum channel guides failed on both side. The left one was more impacted, the debris stopped the hydraulic actuator and kaboom everything exploded covering the whole interior with hydraulic oil and plastic and metal debris... Is this normal?? Are these guides supposed to fail after a certain time? I'm planning to remove the upper metal roof to expose more damage.


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  2. SLViper1

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    I have only read of a few sensor failures and one cracked windshield till this.
    That is just awful.
     
  3. Doohan

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  4. vjd3

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    Wow, that's disturbing to see! So sorry. Please keep us posted on the repairs and cost ... and if there is anything to visually check on the car (cracks, etc.). Is the car under warranty? Did the top start to go down normally and then abruptly fail or was there any warning sign? Sounds like those parts should have been metal and curious if Ferrari or Webasto ever updated them over time. So many cars use the Webasto tops that you would think something similar would have occurred in a BMW, Mercedes, etc.
     
  5. Doohan

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    So that's the "good" side as seen from the top. If you look from below pushing the headliner down and see some fine cracks on the grey plastic you should be worried. Car is no more under warranty.
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  6. anunakki

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    Thats awful. Never seen anything like that. Id be tempted to turn it into a barchetta
     
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  7. TifosiConch

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    Any chance insurance could cover it?
     
  8. montegoblue

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    Keep the extended warranty going kids , you never can be too sure with the “excellent” Ferrari craftsmanship. Have had my car for close to a year and have put 12k miles ... fantastic daily driver however each time I put the top down, makes me a little nervous; top is very heavy, weirdly complicated mechanism IMO. I know it is a Webasto product, but if you add a bit of Ferrari dust into it and make it complex to top it off, it becomes a recipe for disaster. Top mechanism is basically the only reason why I plan on renewing extended warranty after it expires in 2021. Sorry about your convertible top failure, best of luck and please share progress with the group.
     
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  9. Doohan

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    I totally agree with you. After the incident I reviewed several other California’s and they all presented the same fine cracks on the grey plastic. I’m now confident that is only a matter of time for them to fail. And with the roof being retracted in 14 seconds when they fail they do it royally!
     
  10. vjd3

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    Jeez. What year cars were you looking at?

    I would be especially concerned if I had one of those SmartTop modules that closes or opens the top with one touch of the button ... if you are doing it yourself obviously you are going to stop holding it down once all hell breaks loose with the roof, which would at least interrupt the carnage, but the module might continue the process and make it even worse.

    It reminds me of the terrible Porsche convertible top mechanism on the 993 which would routinely get out of alignment and eventually bend and break the top frame. I converted mine to manual, which was simple with a fabric top, just lift it up and let the latch motors close it. It takes a lot of torque to raise or lower even a fabric top, can only imagine the kind of forces required on a metal roof. And I am also surprised that other cars with Webasto tops do not have this issue, unless it was Ferrari's engineering to put a plastic guide piece there instead of a metal one.
     
  11. Il Co-Pilota

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    Cali roof issues have been quite common, but exploding? No, that's not normal.
     

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