2011 FORMULA 1 AIRTEL GRAND PRIX OF INDIA: RACE *** Spoilers ***

While at university I drove a cab.
The company's traffic manager was known to ask drivers brought before the accident board "why were you where an accident was about to happen?".

Lewis seems to be present at the scene of quite a few accidents.
Just saying

 

My point exactly David.

He certainly would not have a driver's license or insurance, if he involved himself in this many "accidents," on the public roads.

 

Well I'm fairly certain he wouldn't have lasted long at Boston Cab Co.

 

I feel relatively confident, that if he drove like that in Boston, Chicago or Detroit he simply wouldn't last long at all.

 

Or India or...

 

I count that THREE incidents where he ran a driver off the road; in Spa he just moved into Kobayashi's place and crashed himself out.

In Canada Button was seen to clearly move over and defend his position. Hamilton stayed there and got squeezed out.


So I call 3 Hambone's fault, 1 50/50 (Button could have given more space, but because of the immense rain/spray he had 0 rear view. Hamilton should have backed out) and one Alonso's fault.

That's not counting all of the Massa incidents. Or running Schumacher off the track at Suzuka in qualifying. **** I'm probably forgetting some.

And that's just this season.

 

Maldonado bumper car at Monaco - Looks like Hammy put his nose where it didn't belong
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yf4HZ5cpG4U[/ame]
Clipped by Alonso from behind - actually Hamilton turned into Alonso while blocking
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EW0q_dlNJ6A[/ame]
By your own analysis of this weekend's LH/Massa incident, you must also be thinking that LH didn't give room to Alonso

Spun Webber at Canada

Crashed out by Jensen at Canada - once again, his nose where it shouldn't have been
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDppd2nFuJc[/ame]

"Crashed out by Kobi at Spa" ??? Hamilton tuned into Kobi, is more like it...
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3WHCcoCjdA[/ame]

I'll add LH ramming Massa at Silverstone 2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=dsY9X6d1aHY

 

I must say mike, it really is clear that once you have an opinion, you won't change it no matter what eh........ Just about every unbiased observer, including Martin Brundle no less, have said that the issue was not massa's fault, it was a racing incident, and that hambone should have yielded, yet here you are, still banging on at me.

The thing with an Internet forum is that we can all have different opinions, and its fine, cos we interpret stuff differently. Even so, once you've argued, and then the evidence actually points the other way, it's not exactly time to try to be funny with someone who had the right answer all along, cos it draws attention to the fact that YOU got it wrong.

So, despite your clear world champion racing experience, which must in your mind outrank the racing I've done, you are wrong, leave me out of your attempts to peddle your daft arguments in support of hambones continuing game of demolition derby

 

Zip it.

Fair enough Dave I got carried away, you do know why though.

IMO Hamilton has alot to gain from burying the hatchet with Massa, the trouble is Massa gains nothing, and it appears he wants to keep it that way.

To quote Massa

The problem is because there is a total lack of respect between the two this is not racing, because as far as I see it Massa would rather smash his car up in to Hamilton than let him pass him.

Hamilton should have just kept hustling him or backed off and he would blown his supension on the high kerbs, which he did anyway.

 

I'm sorry if this post has been made...but MS interview in India.

http://www.firstpost.com/livetopic/formula-one_75669.html

 

THAT IS AWESOME!!!!!!

 

Thank you, that was a good interview.

 

OK... LH is losing a lot of respect from a lot of people.

Maybe it's that LH would risk RAMMING anybody that is in front of him, even those he could have easily gotten past SAFELY, with a little patience.

Sorry for you but... Discernment, respect and patience, are a few of the attributes commonly found among the champions in many arenas. LH demonstrates none of these lately.

As we all know, but LH seems to have forgotten, you have to finish, in order to win. LH has consistently put his car in positions of unnecessarily high risk and lost.

 

It doesn't matter how much patience you have if a loose cannon is intent in running you off the track to prove a point, does it.

Any way Billy you have your opinion, I have mine fine stick with it.

 

Exactly, everybody has to watch out for LH the loose cannon.

Steevie?

How many times has he repeated the same scenario, with virtually every driver on the track?

Regards,
Bill

 

The present results speak for themselves Billy.

Ham 202 points

Massa 98 points

 

I thought he demonstrated respect at the start of the race when he gave Felipe Massa his good wishes. I disagree that patience is a common virtue amongst great F1 Champions - they want to be at the front as fast as possible. Having said that, Lewis Hamilton might be a repeat Champion if he could learn a little bit more patience from Jensen Button.

Hamilton has done some awful red mist moves or clumsy moves this season, but this wasn't one of them. I think Hamilton has realised his folly and is trying to turn over a new leaf - perhaps the source of much of his lack of focus was the tail-end of his relationship with Nicole Scherzinger and he says he's getting back to focusing just on racing. In India, Massa caused the collision - I believe intentionally. There's not much that happened in India that can reasonably be blamed upon Hamilton... for once.

And the stewards, who have access to a lot of in-car data as well, agree that Massa was the culprit.

All the best,
Andrew.

 

My point is that most of the issues are about Massa specifically. Take Massa out of the equation and LH=MS.

 

I still lay more of the blame on Massa for the accident as he clearly must have known (clearly evident of him checking his mirror's) Hamilton was alongside and imho had acquired the proper racing line. Maybe MTV should pair Massa and Hamilton on a 'Bully Beat Down' episode?

 

Again, hyperbolic statement. We've already defined his incidents, yet you still peddle that same line of thinking.

 

+1 of course he knew totally out of order, and the trouble is by the sound of it he aint going to change any time soon, maybe he thought/thinks he was untouchable because of Todt position.

 

LOL, that would be a good one!

 

Yepper it would be epic!!!

Overall and regardless of what driver we side with we should all be able to admit that the tiff and incidents they are having is NOT doing either one of them any good and is only tarnishing their image not only among their fans but most importantly their teams. I have a funny feeling that Hamilton will not live out his career at McLaren as he once speculated and Massa has only one season left at Ferrari and knows Perez will be replacing him.

 

How many times, can a person engage in the same activity and always expect the outcome to be different?

He has repeatedly inserted his nose, to the inside of a tight turn, where he can not possibly make the turn without physically using the opponents car as guidance.

NOT JUST MASSA!

How many time can this repeat, without you noticing a trend.

It's everybody's fault but L'il Looie, he's simply being persecuted by all of the other drivers.

Even LH, implied that he made the mistake in India.

 

So what do you want Billy, Hamilton removed from F1. Mind you, you'd have nothing to talk about then, the main folk that are siding with Massa are Hamilton haters, folk that see the bigger picture can realize it.
LH 202 v FM 98.

Now if you had voiced something similar to the lines of this below I'd have a job arguing it, but alas you don't.