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2012 F1 SANTANDER BRITISH GP: RACE *** SPOILERS ***

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  1. freshmeat

    freshmeat F1 Veteran

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    #301 freshmeat, Jul 8, 2012
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    Like McNish put it so nicely, "it takes 2 to tango" and if Maldonado was smarter he would've been "aware" that his tires were cold and he wasn't going to be able to hold that turn w/o incident. He put himself in jeopardy not just Perez. He did the same maneuver on kimi at the same turn, but he had warm tires and managed to get kimi to concede but only because kimi went off track to avoid a collision.

    Like Valencia, his lack of "awareness" that his car was perched on a curb making any turning maneuver to avoid colliding with hami impossible jeopardized his own position and obviously that of others.

    He's a "stupid driver" as Checo put it.
     
  2. Fast_ian

    Fast_ian Two Time F1 World Champ

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    OK, great race. The Scuderia back up to 2nd in the WCC. And even Phil did good! ;)

    I'm going back to bed......
     
  3. JeremyJon

    JeremyJon F1 Veteran

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    okay, well that's not a 'stunt' ...he tried to hold a line on cold tires that he couldn't ...his choices there are 'back off' or 'try and hold the line'

    perez is easily equal at fault in that incident, not giving room for runout, and fencing tight in against maldo ...looking close can see perez was middle of the track, not far right
     
  4. freshmeat

    freshmeat F1 Veteran

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    He was not in the middle from what I recall, he was somewhere in between the middle and outside, and so you're wrong, Perez gave him enough room, even if he was in the middle.

    Collision happened coz Maldonado slid in overstate and his right rear went into Perez.

    Perez was definitely aware and gave him maneuvering room, just not aware enough of maldonado's "stupidity" until it was too late.

    And trying to hold that turn is stupid; just as stupid as trying to defend on bald tires on a straight line w/ drs :)
     
  5. JeremyJon

    JeremyJon F1 Veteran

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    check the pics and see where you're wrong ...point is perez wasn't innocent, and just as guilty as maldo for the contact made in this incident

    it's always immature for one f1 driver to call another 'stupid' or to perpetuate it ....racers at this level don't 'accidently' get there

    both these drivers should have shown better judgement


     
  6. freshmeat

    freshmeat F1 Veteran

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    So you're saying Perez was on the inside if we're both wrong? Ie if he was neither in the middle or somewhere between the middle and outside? Lol, I'll wait and re-watch it i guess when it becomes available.
     
  7. JeremyJon

    JeremyJon F1 Veteran

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    ^^ makes no sense ...reread posts, pretty clear
     
  8. freshmeat

    freshmeat F1 Veteran

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    #308 freshmeat, Jul 8, 2012
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    From Skysports.com, from Maldonado's point of view:
    "I tried to defend the place but on the entry when we were getting to the middle of the corner I just lost the rear..."

    Skysports reporter:
    "Having just pitted simultaneously, Perez attacked the Williams in the DRS zone approaching the Brooklands right-hander and although he appeared to give his rival enough room to make the corner as well on the inside, Maldonado lost the rear of his car which pitched him into the side of the Sauber - sending both cars spinning into the gravel."

    Link to full article:
    http://www1.skysports.com/formula-1/news/12522/7882632/Perez-slams-stupid-Maldonado

    So, Perez gave him enough room...how is Perez at fault for taking a hit from a Maldonado oversteer slide? He should've given more room and gone off track from the middle of the track? lol.
     
  9. PowerSlide

    PowerSlide Formula 3

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    maldonado tyre warm or cold he would punt anyone who gets near him lol

    kobi hit his pit guys and fia get 25K euro, lol!
     
  10. ProCoach

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    Maldonado given €10000 fine and probation.

    Yep, it was his fault...

    He says "(I) lost the front, then the rear..."

    Sorry, but Skippy School #1 is when you lose the front, back off.

    Pastor nailed it instead, causing the oversteer.

    Cold tires or not, the driver is always responsible...
     
  11. Fast_ian

    Fast_ian Two Time F1 World Champ

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    *Perfect* summary as always Peter - Thanks ;)

    I wonder what "probation" means in this context? One more time and take a seat for a race or two?

    Cheers,
    Ian
    PS - Pity the poor folks still waiting for the Fox delayed & cut coverage! ;)
     
  12. SRT Mike

    SRT Mike Two Time F1 World Champ

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    I just finished watching the race on DVR and I am shocked someone thinks Perez has anything to do with this incident!

    It was 100% Maldonado. Maldonado tried to run too hard to prevent Perez from passing him, lost control of his car and slid into Perez.

    The idea that Perez should leave "room" (what room? All the way to the edge of the track?) because he should assume the driver he has passing may lose control and slide into him and because he didn't do that, he's at fault, defies all logic and reason.
     
  13. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

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    +10000000

    Perez left MORE than enough room. Maldonado either made a mistake or pushed him; I want to see an onboard shot first. Perez was completely innocent in all of this!!
     
  14. TheMayor

    TheMayor Ten Time F1 World Champ
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    I know it has nothing to do with the race but I like the post race interview in front of the crowd. They should continue that as long as the crowds are respectful.

    And, it's always good to see Jackie Stewart. :)
     
  15. TheMayor

    TheMayor Ten Time F1 World Champ
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    Anyone agree with me that Alonso pitted too early on the first set of hards? He came in at the same time the others had softs on lap 15.

    I thought that was really odd.
     
  16. DF1

    DF1 Three Time F1 World Champ

    +1 great idea and well executed. More fan involvement when possible is a good thing.
     
  17. 4rePhill

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    Alonso apparently (from: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/101097 ):

    FA: !I think tyre choice was a little bit determined by the pace we saw in FP3, the little dry running that we had. We felt more confident on the hards so it was our preferred choice today. And then, if at any point of the race it had rained and we put on intermediates you didn't have to use the softs any more so it was a better combination of possibilities that the hard gave us today.

    And then the length of the stint? I think the second was quite close to the limit of the number of laps. Maybe we could have lasted a couple of extra laps in the first one."
     
  18. TheDuke

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    I liked that too. It made it better forthe crowd and a bit less formal and fun. Having a former driver do the interviews is a great idea since they know what it's like to be up there and Jackie is always fun to watch. It was more fun and didn't have the monotone the interview rooms bring.

    As far as the Maldonado incident. I think it was Maldo's fault and ran straight into Perez. Perez was at the edge of the track to avoid contact. I guess he forgot who he was trying to pass.
     
  19. mrbucket2

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    Well when its his best result in 1 and 3/4 seasons its sorta pathetic at that point really.
     
  20. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

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    Damn fine race he had Sir, damn fine race. :)
     
  21. SRT Mike

    SRT Mike Two Time F1 World Champ

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    In the replays I saw, Maldonado tried to push too much speed into the corner, to prevent Perez from passing him. The front end washed out, and he gassed it and washed the read end out, going across the track and sliding into Perez.

    Perez chose a line and stuck to it. It was plenty far from Maldonado's line. The only reason those two lines intersected in the end is because Pastor lost control and slid off his line.

    The only thing Perez could have done to avoid the incident is not to have tried passing Pastor.
     
  22. moretti

    moretti Five Time F1 World Champ
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    yep, that's where he lost the race, the softs only seemed good for 10-11 laps at this track but the Ferrari was obviously the best car on the track today, not that I would deny ol' MW the win
     
  23. VIZSLA

    VIZSLA Four Time F1 World Champ
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    One factor may be that the cars were set up wet.
    Also remember that Pirelli said that they were coming with new dry compounds this weekend and no one had any experience with them before race time
     
  24. VIZSLA

    VIZSLA Four Time F1 World Champ
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    Not necessarily. If the rain came they'd never have had to switch to the softs.
     
  25. Fast_ian

    Fast_ian Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Possibly. Certainly seems the Shoe was expecting rain. I'm sure there were others.

    OTOH, I don't ever recall the option being (consistently) slower than the prime - It may not last long, but today it seemed the option pretty much sucked for all of em!......

    Not true (!) - While they did indeed bring some "experimental" hards, they were never used - They're only allowed to play those games on Friday, and as we know that didn't happen. That rubber (if mounted) was then scrapped.

    I'm 99% sure that the tires they ran today are/were the same as they've had all year.

    Cheers,
    Ian
    PS; Helluva Wimbledon final BTW ;)
     

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