2012 FF Problems

Hey guys, in currently looking at a 2012 ff right now with 20k+ miles, are there any particular issues 2012's face vs the other years and any particular things to look at when I see it in person/get the service history?

Thanks, -Max

 

No. Although newer rubber bushings and a newer car is always better IMO. Just get all the updates through the dealer, and get their in house vehicle history report, not a CarFax. Ask the dealer to check the brake life (digital) to make sure it's in the normal range for the miles. A driven car is often better, they're not meant to be garage queens. Check that history and hopefully you trust your service mgr to interpret. For a 2012 you might want to get the POWER warranty through Ferrari, $6500/yr. Don't buy the cheapest car with the highest miles to save a little. It's always about the build and the pedigree, on resale. Weird story cars to be avoided. Like 7500 miles in 2 months (I wanked from that car once).

Mostly, you need to love the car. Making up a spread sheet can come in handy.

Many nice ones on the market. Enjoy the process of shopping!

 

Seems in line with what I was planning. Not new to prancing horse ownership so I've already made sure it had the extended warranty, just wanted to make sure that there weren't any first year issues (as has been the precedent).

Thanks for the reply 👍

 

i had one of the first FFs delivered to the northeast - 22k miles and zero issues. Immensely versatile and pure driving bliss. you cant go wrong especially at todays prices.

 

Hey guys, from what I've found from my collector buddies and friends at ferrari dealers, the 2012s with anything above 10k miles are dealer wholesale/trading in for 120-130. ( In the south at least). I've found one here in La , with 22k miles through Ferrari of Los Angeles asking 169 which I might make an offer in high 40s and see what happens. Its not exactly what I wanted spec wise but its Nero(ext) with Cuoio and non blacked out wheels, which is my main option check list-- Others being carbon wheel, leather roof/diamond seats, and hifi+ backup cam. I also found an ff with about 11.5k miles at Ferrari of Newport with all of the options I want asking 182 which I'm interested in what you think they will take for it.

Here' a 14 with 15k miles in low 80s which is best I've seen if you like black on black :Used Ferrari FF For Sale Los Angeles, CA - CarGurus


Let me know what you think. -- Max

 

Wholesale numbers are much higher than what your friends are telling you.
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I still think trade in's are in my posted range, I know for a fact dealers offered that to customers this month. Especially with 14s hitting the 180s and more and more the 12s with 190+ asking dropping prices like flies due to oversupply. 130/130s trade in seems right for lower 10-20k miles range while 120s seems there for 20k+ miles. 130+ dealer 20-30% mark up for profit is the 160-170 price range that is abundant on the market now.

 

That '14 with the panoramic roof for 180 seems like a good deal

 

I had 30K miles on my FF. Only things I had issues with were the air flow sensor and one of the front parking sensors needed replacing. Mechanically they are solid (apart from the seatbeat handover device which got easily confused). The electronics once had a mind of their own and decided to throw up every single warning light known to man. This was easily solved by turn the key off then on again.

 

I agree Dave, could probably negotiate it into 170s. Im just not a fan of black interiors on my F cars.

And to StickBreitling, thats what I keep hearing ( that mechanicals seem to be holding up quite well and it just minor electrical issues the new generations seem to have).

Thanks for the replies, I think I'm getting close 👌

 

Not surprising to see 2012 trade in at 120-130 if there is a 15k 2014 offered at 180 out there... With the less controversial Lusso out there now the sellers of recent FF will drag the whole market down.

 

Big difference between Ferrari dealer cars and a Florida used car dealer car. Almost always the weird story cars come from Florida. Beware of low price, high miles from a non Fcar dealer. Investigate deeply.

 

Anyone know this car: VIN- zff73ska6c0187225

or

ZFF73SKAXC0184165

 

If you want the number of guy( with a dealers license ) selling the first vin: a 12' with 22k miles. I checked it out in person a few times went for a ride in it to ferrari of LA. But could only get records from ferrari los angeles, where he serviced after he bought it. Its a one owner that was stationed in florida ( sold through "the collection"). I just won't make a move if I don't have all the records but it had all campaigns done by ferrari of los angeles. Exterior is nero red cals, normal star wheels. Exterior was perfect with some scraped under lip not noticeable. Inside leather had sun spot on left door few specs in metal pieces on seats and other smudges here and there. Speaker in back left side had a few (minor) paint marks. I am very keen tho, wouldn't notice with a quick glance.
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^ He is asking 169. (One owner, no accident)

 

Why this car and not some of the others in CA? That dealer can't spell, and that's a 2-3 dealer pass around car with Euro Car plates in their Car Gurus photo. lol I would never, and not more than 155 if you do, but I would not. There is a 2013 black FF with more/better features and 9500 miles in Mill Valley (SF, CA) for 199 ask. 2012 white FF at O'Gara with 10000 miles and a better build and features for now and resale. All black 12 in Charlotte asking 169. Well specd. 23k, 200+ days for sale, was around 200. They will move it.

Florida cars are always to be avoided IMO. Don't fall in love with one car. It's called shopping for a reason

 

That black FF is beat up. I wouldn't offer more than $135k for it as you should be able to get a nice example of 2012 for $150k, a 2013 for $175 and a 2014 for $200k...

 

I definitely think you're low here by 15 on the 12 to 17 on the 13 to 20 the 14, unless you want a car like this. But agree on that car being a no.

Dealer sold cars with good history still matter with the FF. Yes it's a daily driver, but it's still a Ferrari.

 

the white car at manheim that sold for in 130's has accident history, my friend almost bought it and told me, passed on it! Auction numbers are still very strong

 

Look at the other thread where the dealer offered a too low to accept trade in price from 2014 FF (trade in on a Lusso no less, not on a 488 or other high demand vehicle).

Brian, first our numbers aren't that far apart... My numbers are based on what I would pay today for good examples and to make a deal happen... Really good options can also move the needle higher...

 

The 130k car was a lemon at the Manheim auction. Also, I instantly wasn't very interested in this car for the obvious reasons, just wanted to post personal pics of defects for fchat users. Owner bought the car at the same auction that is posted in this thread (same one the lemon 130k car was posted in). I was actually very interested in a 185k 11k mile Nero/Cuoio example at Ferrari of Newport and I had a bad experience with their service department with ignored emails, documents repeatedly sent for the wrong car, etc. . However, just got word today that I got my 911 R spot so I need to clear out a car from the stable to make room for both that and a F car; thus I will be out of the market until I get my R. (This is good however, ff prices will continue to tank.)

 

Better see pics of that R as soon as you get it! Congrats man. Were you a 918 buyer to get the R allocation?

 

Does replacing a gearbox cause any concern in the performance and logitivity of the car?

 

If by a dealer under warranty? No. You just eliminated a potential issue and got a new gearbox. The probability of 2 bad gearboxes on 1 modern Fcar is tiny. Also the issues that used to cause a FULL gearbox have been mitigated into a cheaper and lesser repair, so everyone is better off going forward. A Power warranty is never a bad idea, however, you might roll the dice now.