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  1. VIZSLA

    VIZSLA Four Time F1 World Champ
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    #351 VIZSLA, Apr 14, 2013
    Well said.


    Mark is still his own worst enemy but RB management is a close number two.
    ;)

    Has there been a definitive explaination for the loose wheel nut?
     
  2. Etcetera

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    #352 Etcetera, Apr 14, 2013
    They didn't use anti-coriolis effect threads on his car.

    Only have to use that tech for Aussies and others from that region.
     
  3. VIZSLA

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    #353 VIZSLA, Apr 14, 2013
    Best explaination yet.
    ;)
     
  4. TifosiUSA

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    #354 TifosiUSA, Apr 14, 2013
    Gutierrez is terrible, more evidence that getting rid of Kobayashi was a dumb ass move
     
  5. iamthesimpleone

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    #355 iamthesimpleone, Apr 14, 2013
    Glad I wasn't the only one who caught that the announcers incorrectly thought they could go on a two stop strategy. Knew that wasn't in the cards when Vettell pitted on lap 15
     
  6. ELP_JC

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    #356 ELP_JC, Apr 14, 2013
    Because he only had 5 laps left :D. But even that was too much for his pace... which was faster than qualifying.

    IT IS critical :D. His damage wasn't that bad, but still made him lose time. My guess is the wing change could have cost him more time than he was losing, but he lost time regardless. The better question is if he'd have been able to challenge Alonso without it.

    Very easy to prove with lap times, so I doubt it even came to teams having to prove anything with telemetry.

    That definitely cost him 3rd place. He'd have overtaken LH before his tires gave out. But it was a great effort nonetheless.

    Indeed. And he did a favor to RB as well.

    Great race overall. But the tire situation is just ridiculous. FIA should at the very least allow separate tires for qualifying.

    Hey gang, a stupid interview question: Why on almost every interview there's always a WOMAN, dressed with the team's driving suit, staring at the driver, and always within the camera's view??? I've seen this as far back as I can remember, be it Red Bull, Mercedes, Ferrari, etc. Are they there as nannies, so drivers don't say anything stupid? They never have caps on, so it's not like they're promoting anything. Just can't figure that one out. Thanks gang.
     
  7. Peloton25

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    #357 Peloton25, Apr 14, 2013
    They are part of the marketing/pr staff for each team and are recording what their driver says and managing who and for how long they talk to them.

    >8^)
    ER
     
  8. VIZSLA

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    #358 VIZSLA, Apr 14, 2013
    In another context they'd be called minders.
    ;)
     
  9. freshmeat

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    #359 freshmeat, Apr 14, 2013
    Christian Horner furiously dismisses Mark Webber conspiracy talk
    Source: Autosport.com

    Red Bull boss Christian Horner has furiously dismissed suggestions of a conspiracy against Mark Webber on the back of a nightmare weekend at Shanghai for the Australian.

    Webber had come in to the Chinese Grand Prix eager to get a good result on the back of the troubles in Malaysia, when Sebastian Vettel ignored team orders and beat him.

    But Webber's weekend was beset by drama, as a lack of fuel in his car during qualifying left him at the back of the grid for the race, and his Sunday afternoon ended after a pit stop problem resulted in a wheel falling off.

    Speaking to reporters after the race, Horner was angered that there was even a suggestion that Red Bull was moving to try and hamper Webber's efforts.

    "That is complete rubbish," he said. "Forget conspiracy. It is all about trying to get two cars to finish as high as we can.

    "Anybody that thinks there is a conspiracy here against one, or either, driver doesn't know what they are looking at."

    When it was put to him that Webber himself had not gone as far as ruling out a conspiracy, Horner said: "Mark knows exactly what happened. That is it. There is no conspiracy."

    Red Bull was still awaiting a full analysis of Webber's car on Sunday night in China to work out why the wheel had fallen off, while the faulty fuel bowser that prevented enough fuel going in the car for qualifying will be looked at back at the team's factory.

    "It will be stripped back down at Milton Keynes and investigated there," explained Horner.

    Although the cynics may suggest that Red Bull would obviously deny a conspiracy - even if there was one – fans should really forget any thoughts that Webber's Chinese GP nightmares were a deliberate ploy to hobble the Australian.

    It makes no sense at all for an outfit to invest nearly £200 million per year on its two car operation and then throw half of its efforts away by deliberately stopping one of its drivers.

    To suggest that the team would purposely not put enough fuel in Webber's car for him to complete qualifying is ridiculous, as there is no benefit to the team's constructors' championship ambitions by having one of its men at the back of the grid.

    In fact, the conspiracy theories would actually have more credibility if the team had done the opposite and put too much fuel in Webber's car – thereby deliberately adding extra weight to the car which would have slowed him down and left him behind team-mate Sebastian Vettel.

    Webber can look back at how straight the team played his battle with Vettel in Malaysia a few weeks ago – when a super swift final pit stop ensured he kept a slim lead over his team-mate before the 'Multi 21' controversy – for proof that the team does all it can to treat both men equally.

    It is clear that Red Bull advisor Helmut Marko is politically fully in the Vettel camp, but when it comes to on track stuff, do not imagine for one second that the stance extends as far as derailing a driver by not giving him enough fuel or only three wheels.
     
  10. ELP_JC

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    #360 ELP_JC, Apr 14, 2013
    Thank you folks. They make the drivers look a bit stupid IMO. But for what they get paid, and what they do, I wouldn't mind either :D. Thanks again.
     
  11. VIZSLA

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    #361 VIZSLA, Apr 14, 2013
    The fact that such suspicions can be held by serious fans just goes to show how the manipulation of the sport has eroded even the most basic of trust.
     
  12. freshmeat

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    #362 freshmeat, Apr 14, 2013
    RB has been fined $5,000 Euros for the unsafe release of car #2.
     
  13. PSk

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    #363 PSk, Apr 14, 2013
    Agree.

    Pete
     
  14. Aedo

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    #364 Aedo, Apr 14, 2013
    Whoopee do - that'll make an impact... :rolleyes:
     
  15. VIZSLA

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    #365 VIZSLA, Apr 14, 2013
    Rounding error in F1 finances.
     
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    #366 Fast_ian, Apr 14, 2013
    I don't think there's a 'serious fan' on the planet who believes there's any conspiracy. This is simply gutter journalism at its finest - Not even the guys writing the BS believe it.......

    Makes no sense to anyone with even a modicum of knowledge of the sport.

    Cheers,
    Ian
     
  17. VIZSLA

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    #367 VIZSLA, Apr 14, 2013
    It's those who know it best who suspect the worst.
    ;)
     
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    #368 Fast_ian, Apr 14, 2013
    As always, a nice quote, but nah, not buying that one. ;)

    Puts a new dimension to the term 'tin foil hit brigade'. I mean, not even crazy Helmut is *that* crazy!

    Cheers,
    Ian
     
  19. VIZSLA

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    #369 VIZSLA, Apr 14, 2013
    I know that. I'm just not sure i believe that.

    Every time I say " they can't be that dumb or that brazen" I'm proved wrong.

    My point is that they've lost credibility and trust so even the most ridiculous accusations can't be dismissed out of hand. In other words the sport has been debased.
     
  20. moretti

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    #370 moretti, Apr 15, 2013
    Centripedal adjustment has the most effect for us
     
  21. ross

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    #371 ross, Apr 15, 2013
    one glaring result of this last race is that the number 2 driver's on nearly every team, were decisively proven to be properly identified as such....

    compare the results of:
    alonso vs massa
    kimi vs grosjean
    hamilton vs rosberg
    vettel vs webber
    button vs perez

    i know it sounds obvious, but a lot of these teams like to say there is equality among the drivers blablabla, well there you go. the evidence is plain to see.
     
  22. ZAMIRZ

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    #372 ZAMIRZ, Apr 15, 2013
    ^Does Perez bring money? I know Grosjean does...

    Nico is "legacy", not to say he isn't a good driver, but I'm not convinced he's World Champion caliber like his dad.
     
  23. Bas

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    #373 Bas, Apr 15, 2013
    I think Guitierrez needed at least another season in lower categories. He was still making mistakes here and there in GP2.

    Don't underestimate the stupidity of others.
    Exactly.
     
  24. DF1

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    #374 DF1, Apr 15, 2013
    Equality with equipment etc within the team - yes

    Skills, hence results - no
     
  25. DF1

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    FRA - nice city with a really big airport :)
    #375 DF1, Apr 15, 2013
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