2015 FORMULA 1 JAPANESE GRAND PRIX: RACE *** SPOILERS ***

Re Ms - Have you forgotten punting Damon hill off the track to win the WDC? Attempting to barge Villeneuve off the track? Almoat deiving Barrichello into the wall at Hungary. Parking it at rascasse in quali at Monaco. And that's just off the top of my head..! The grass isn't always greener on the other side and the drivers of the past were no saints. Some greater balance in views is warranted I believe

 

He didn't. Check the facts

 

1) he didn't punt damon
2) he did hit JV
3) I take great issue with the ''almost pushing Barrichello into the wall''. I love Rubens, great guy, but if he had such a big issue with that he should've hung up his helmet there and then; no balls for something that was no issue. 30cm space.
4)Monaco parking job granted.

No one is saying that Schumacher was a saint. I think that because Hamilton is an arrogant prick and fully believes in his right to be ahead of anyone plays a factor.

 

I wonder how many times this has to be brought up? Even Damon doesn't see it that way! Search youtube.....or here...it's been discussed many times.

 

I agree. The cause of many of the problems on this forum is that, when the disussion gets round to Hamilton, which it too often seems to do, there is a lack of objectivity and balance on both sides. For some he can do no wrong, for others he can do no right. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle, but I don't expect those who fall into the categories above to agree!

 

I would not call Hamiltons way of driving "dirty tricks" or ruthless...But he is aggressive and sometimes takes into acount that there might be a crash if the other party does not back up. He normally does not try to avoid the contact himself. As you said, others have been like this before and it is OK as long as it works but one should not be surprised if the other party does not back up and there is a crash...
Like in Spa: Hamilton relied on Rosberg backing up so many times before and this time he did not but instead of taking this as a normal risk when driving like this it was treated like lese majesty and he was even approved by his team. Now Rosberg is backing up at every situation as seen last week so it seems to work prefectly for Hamilton.

But can you imagine he would have tried this against Senna or Schumacher? I bet he would have not finished a single race he tried that...And obviously Massa did not back up either and one could argue for ages whose fault it was but fact is that Hamilton did not try to avoid any of these incidents as well.

 

+1000 !!!

 

He has three incidents to his name, parking isn't causing anyone any harm, just his own rep. He raced in 200 gps and had three incidents some, not me, would question, hambone has done 160+ and has had as many incidents as gps of driving into people. It's not the same thing. Damon hill got what was coming as you may remember him spearing across a corner without even bothering to brake and managing to hit Schumacher who was almost out the other side at the time in a previous race. Schumacher was a master at passing, as was Senna, making good moves. Even if they were close, they never touched other cars. Elton smashes into them, and blames them if it goes wrong.

Totally different drivers, and two of them are classy champions, once is a protected primadonna for whom I have no respect whatsoever

 

And barrichello had sour grapes to blame for his claims!

 

Senna calculated the crash in Japan, as a direct result to the cowardly tactics of Prost the previous year and the politics of the sport that caused his disqualification from the race. He knew exactly what he was doing, and whilst a crash is never 'safe' it was controlled and both cars came to a halt in a straight line in a mile of gravel trap, hardly like Elton mindlessly careering into the side of Massa or anyone else and hoping for the best, the guys a fool

 

You forgot to mention that they swapped the pole position to the dirty side of the track.

What he did was refuse to yield the corner (although slightly behind) which resulted in the crash. It was a premeditated decision (though I'm fine with it, given the circumstances) but he was fairly criticized for being reckless.

 

See: Monza 2011. Schumacher is NOT to be messed with...

 

How about Glock, when he pushed him onto the grass in the rain, monza 2008, at the end of the main straight!!! A really stupid and dangerous move...and Japan 2008, when he deliberatly forced both Ferrari of the track at the beggining of the race?

 

Lmao...That sob almost killed Rubens in Hungary, Damon Hill, Villeneuve, JEV, Bruno Senna and David Coulthard to name a few from the top of my head.. He was a hothead and a dirty driver.

This guy keeps lying and making things up to fit his rethoric and arguments...

 

Almost killed Rubens? How so? Driving alongside each other on a perfectly straight...straight?

Almost killed Damon? Surely that was Damon's own doing, even by his own admission?

JV incident was low speed, hardly killing. Though he did crash into him.

Almost killed JEV? Are you serious? he outbraked himself and crashed into the back...it was a crash! it wasn't even an overtake by any measurement!

Almost killed Bruno Senna? Again...a racing incident at best. Senna moved twice under braking too.

Almost killed DC? Once again...DC has admitted on several occasions it was his (DC) own fault.

If you're going to make ridiculous accusations to strengthen your own argument (? I fail how pointing (wrongfully) schumachers fault makes Hamilton's faults disappear), at least make sure they're true, and especially not include simple racing incidents!

 

That's the motivation...throw mud at others to elevate Lewis' status. He needs to do a better job of it though. It's not working

 

The only thing i remember about Glock is Brazil 2008, unfortunately

But anyhow, yes, Hamilton is not on the same level as Michael and Senna, in terms of passing (see vs Massa Singapore and India), which both i think was his fault. But i don't think he's a really dirty driver. He just panics when he's not on pole and messes up (Hungary this year).

However, Fuji 2007 and Silverstone 2007 ought to be one of the best races Hamilton has controlled.

P/S : i'm no Hamilton fan in any way, and i can't believe i'm actually defending him! better get some lottery tix!

 

excellent post my friend!

 

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Tough as nails Lewis is! An outstanding move on Roseberg to take the lead. Absolutely ruthless and I love it. This is a prime example why Roseberg will never be a WDC...

 

Good to know.

 

Fantastic F3 battle between Vettel and Hamilton
https://youtu.be/kDkK8a4jHZ8

 

Yap, the other reason is that Mercedes won't let him!!!!

 

That was great!! Fantastic find. Then what happened?

 

Reality is IMO Rosberg did the right thing, since Hamilton was in the better, inside position in that corner; he had the upper hand.

Replay shows Rosberg made a "mistake" in the previous corner which cost him the necessary meters/space he needed in the next.